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Saturday, March 31, 2007
 

We've got a good topic for this week.. Head Coverings!! This may seem like a pretty long one, but I think if you read it through you will find it very interesting.  And really, it's a quick read.  Also, I understand this is a rather controversial topic for many people, so as you read this, please be objective but feel free to kindly make comments concerning any differences of oppinion.

 

                                                Head Coverings                                               

 

I. Introduction:

The contention surrounding the use of head coverings among the members of the Lord’s church is based exclusively on differing interpretations of a single passage, 1 Corinthians 11:1-16.  Other scriptures that may have a bearing on this study will be considered later in the article.

1 Corinthians 11:1-16 reads as follows:

 

            “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye  remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9  Neither was the man          created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to   have power on her head because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.” KJV

 

The purpose of this study is not necessarily to examine the complete meaning of this passage; rather, it is to establish the extent to which the instructions here are applicable to the present day church.  The value of this study is regarded by Paul himself when he states in verse 16, “if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.”  In other words, the instructions here are not spoken vainly; they are final and binding on the members of the church.  This passage certainly represents a fine detail in the law of liberty, but we can still conclude this is a doctrine in need of our contemplation.   

 

 

II. Definition of Terms:

Understanding the original meanings of the words used in this selection is vital to accurately conceiving the original intent of the passage.  A few terms are of particular importance.  The definitions here represent the definitions found in Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance and Vine’s Expository Dictionary.  Strong’s numbers are also noted.  

 

  • Covered: (kata), to cover one’s self; veiled; root of katakalupto below [2596]
  • Covered: (katakalupto), to cover wholly; hide; having something down the head [2619]
  • Covering: (peribolaion), something thrown around oneself; mantle, veil, vesture [4018]
  • Uncovered: (akatakalupto), negative of 2619; to be unveiled [177]
  • Shorn: (keiro), to shear [2751]
  • Shaven: (xurao), to shave or shear the head with a razor [3587]
  • Long: (komao), to have long hair [2863].  According to Thayer and Smith Greek Lexicon: to let the hair grow.
  • Nature: (phusis), the regular law or order of nature; growth by natural production [5449]

 

 

III. Contextual Study of Terms:

In addition to the explicit definitions cited above, some of these words can be further defined by their use in other biblical sources.  Observing the various uses of these terms is significant in that some terms may have meaning not entirely evident in the text of 1 Corinthians 11 or in the dictionary.  This section cites any other scriptures where the use of these terms may be relevant to the study of head coverings.

 

Kata:  This word is used in a variety of ways, none of which can be used to further elucidate on the meaning the term.

 

Katakalutpo:  This word is used only in the text of 1 Corinthians 11.

 

Peribolaion:  This word is used only one other time in Hebrews 1:12; however, its use there does not appear to have any pertinence to a study of head coverings.

 

Akatakalupto:  This word is used only in the text of 1 Corinthians 11.

 

Keiro:  This term, shorn, is used in two other NT passages listed below:

§         Acts 8:32: “The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth.”

§         Acts 18:18: “And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.”

 

These passages are not especially enlightening, but do confirm what can be understood from 1 Corinthians 11.  To have hair that is shorn, is an unspecific length longer than a head shaved with a razor, but still not constituting a covering.  Because of the usage in Acts 8, it seems reasonable to infer that shorn hair in 1 Corinthians 11 would be roughly consistently with the shorn hair of a sheep having been shorn for its wool – not completely gone, but still very short compared to the natural growth of the coat. 

 

Xurao:  This word is used in Acts 21:24, but does not offer any further insight.

 

Komao:  This word is used in no other NT passages.

 

Phusis:  This term is used in several other NT passage.

§         Romans 1:26: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.

§         Romans 2:14: For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves.

§         Galatians 2:15: We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles…

 

Each of these instances confirms the apparent use of the term phusis in 1 Corinthians 11:14.  Nature refers to the physical and spiritual laws that are evident by the design of the universe and inherent within the human conscience.   These laws of nature are implemented by the providence of God himself. 

 

 

IV. Commentary:

Understanding the meanings of the significant terms we can arrive at several conclusions regarding the use of head coverings among the members of the church.  Although the entire meaning of this passage is beyond the scope of this study, the applications to be drawn from these instructions are still evident.  These conclusions are based on the context of the text and the Greek definitions of the significant terms.  The scriptures provided here and elucidated on are those verses seeming to have an immediate impact on the modern use of head coverings. 

 

v     Verse 3: “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”

 

Paul prefaces the next several verses by establishing the principles that are the basis of the following instructions.  The kingdom of God has been deliberately designed with a clearly defined hierarchy: God, Christ, man, and woman. 

 

v     Verse 4: “Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.”

 

By nature of this hierarchical system, there are things that illustrate the distinction between these ranks.  Regarding these distinctions, Paul is concerned with the physical image of men and women, specifically, the appearance of their heads.  Because prayer and prophecy are the activities mentioned, it appears that Paul’s instructions must be immediately concerned with the image of men and women in the assembly and/or another setting where spiritual matters are the focus of a gathering (i.e.- private study, etc…).  This conclusion can be made because prayer and prophesy are the central aspects of any spiritually oriented assembly – addressing God (prayer) and addressing others concerning God (prophecy).  [See notes on verses 5 and 6 on the nature of this setting.]

 

The shameful act of a man having his head covered during these activities must refer directly to the local culture in Corinth.  To be covered literally means having a veil, cloth or other vesture adorning the head and hanging down the head.   In the Corinthian culture, this was a tradition strictly practiced by the women of the city as a token of submission.  For a man to cover himself in this fashion was shameful in that he was assuming a feminine image, crossing over the lines of distinction between men and women.  According to this verse, this was a dishonor to the man’s head, Christ. 

 

Other passages support the principle that God’s people should acknowledge culturally sensitive issues concerning our appearance [See Deuteronomy 14:1-2; Leviticus 19:26-28; Leviticus 21:5].  Although the use of head coverings is a tradition absent from western Christian cultures, the rule that men and women should adorn themselves according to the gender specific traditions of a given culture is still very applicable.  Men should appear as men and women should appear as women. 

 

As is discussed in the comments on verses 15 and 16, the covering referred to here and in the following scriptures should not be equated with a person’s hair, but regards a literal veil or vesture covering the head.  This is the only reasonable conclusion consistent with the ancient Greco-Roman culture. 

 

v     Verse 5: “But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.”  

 

This again refers directly to the local cultural norms of the Corinthians and most of the Roman Empire at the time Paul’s writing.  Just as a veiled man would appear effeminate in Corinthian culture, an unveiled woman would appear to be rejecting her position in the hierarchical system, dishonoring her head, her husband.  Coverings were worn by the Corinthian women as an emblem of submission, acknowledging their husbands as the spiritual and familial leader.  In the context of this culture, it would have been perceived as nothing short of rebellious. 

 

The act of praying or prophesying without a veil to cover the head is equated with shaving the hairs off the head.  These actions are not one in the same, but have similar consequences.  For a woman to appear unveiled or with a shaved head was to denounce her submission to her husband and appear as pagan priestesses of the time.  Historically, it also appears that shaving the hair from a woman’s head was a punishment for adultery and prostitution [from the ancient historian Tacitus, Adam Clarke], and was even considered shameful in mourning [according to Euripides, Adam Clarke].

 

This reference to woman praying and prophesying does not inherently indicate that Christian woman of the first century participated in the assembly.   First Corinthians 14:34-35 should be sufficient to assure us that such speaking is disallowed.  The setting in which these instructions are applicable is any essential any circumstance where spiritual matters are the immediate concern, not just the service.  Second Kings 22:12-15 is one example of a woman exercising the gift of prophesy without doing so in any public fashion.  The language of 1 Corinthians 11:17-18 also indicates that the first sixteen verses of the chapter were not pertaining to the assembly: “Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.  For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.”  It is not until verse 17 that Paul begins addressing when they come together.  This is evident when Paul says first of all, meaning that the following orders about the Lord’s Table are the first time he is directly concerned with the assembly.  In short, Paul’s commands regarding head coverings apply to the assembly but are not specific to the assembly.

 

v     Verse 6: “For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.”

 

This verse further explains the point made in verse 5.  Replacing the key words with the previously mentioned Greek definitions, the verse can be more clearly understood: “For if the woman [appears without her head veiled], let her also [cut off her hair]: but if it is shameful for her to [have shortly cut hair] or [hair shaved with a razor], she should [wear a veil on her head].”

 

An observation of the cultural context again enlightens us concerning the reason for Paul’s strict instructions.  For a woman to participate in a religious gathering with an unveiled head or with a shaved head was a practice only associated with immoral, rebellious, pagan women.  Naturally, this was image unfitting for a woman professing godliness.  Unlike veils, however, it appears that the way the hair is worn does have significance not limited to cultural standards [see notes on verses 14 and 15].

 

v     Verses 7-9: “For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.”

 

Paul affirms the rationale for these instructions by explaining the relationship between the roles of the kingdom’s hierarchy.  Man is the image and glory of God in that he has been delegated the spiritual and familial leadership of God’s earthly kingdom.  In this way, men should reflect the image of God through sound spiritual leadership and service to God.  Similarly, the woman should acknowledge her place in the kingdom by exercising submission.  The woman was created for the man just as man was created for God.

 

Because of this relationship, men and women should adorn themselves appropriately.  Whatever the cultural norms may be, men should not appear to denounce their position of leadership and women should not rebel against her role in submission to the man.

 

v     Verse 10: “For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.”

 

The meaning of this verse is uncertain.  However, it does seem that this verse has no immediate bearing on the practical aspects of the passage and does not change how the instructions in this section should be fulfilled.

 

v     Verses 11-12: “Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.”

 

Although the use of head coverings is the topic being addresses in the surrounding verses, Paul pauses here to establish the greater principles of the Christian faith affected by the fulfillment of these instructions. Even with the hierarchical system in place, Paul reminds us to keep the nature of these relationships in perspective.  Man cannot exist without the woman, nor can the woman exist without the man and neither can exist without God.  The genders are mutual dependant and neither should dismiss the value of the other.  Both physical and spiritually, the effective fulfillment of these gender specific roles depend on the contributions of both ranks.

 

 

v     Verse 13: “Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?”

 

This verse is further evidence that Paul’s instructions must be related to the culture of the Corinthians.  The church is told to use its own ability to reasoning and see whether it is fitting for a Christian woman to pray uncovered.  It seems clear that the shame associated with this action is not only written in the law of liberty, but was evident by observation.  For a woman to appear unveiled was a blatant rejection of her husbands leadership and classed her with the pagans and prostitutes. 

 

v     Verses 14-15: “Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.”

 

Similar to verse 13, these verses are intended to further justify the previous instructions concerning head coverings by appealing to the church’s own capacity to decipher between right and wrong.  Nature here refers to the laws of God written on the human heart, laws manifest within our consciences [see Romans 2:14].  For this reason, these verses have applications unique from the rest of the passage in that these principles must be universal, transcending culturally sensitive teachings. 

 

Remembering that in the previous several scriptures Paul has been concerned with literal veils, we should be sure not to interpret these verses such that they negate the formerly established directions.  Like a veil, the long hair of a woman functions as a covering, demonstrating her submission to her head, her husband.  However, the way in which long hair serves as a covering does not nullify the need for the Corinthian women to wear literal veils.  Paul is not teaching that long hair can be worn instead of a covering; rather, the fact that long hair is consistent with natural law is further proof that the use of veils is a reasonable command, already evident in the laws of nature.   Likewise, nature itself teaches that it is shameful for men to have long hair.  This also demonstrates a principle already apparent by the laws of God written in our hearts: men should not have a covering on their heads, whether in the form of a veil or long hair.

 

This interpretation is the only understanding consistent with the culture at Corinth.  If these verses are intended condone substituting true veils with long hair, Paul would be allowing a practice that was regarded as shameful in the ancient world.  Long hair is not given to women instead of a covering, but is a natural covering paralleling the need for veils in Corinth. 

 

V. Conclusions:

Although the entirety of 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 is not binding the modern church, many points, both broad and specific, should be exercised by all Christians in any culture, in any age.  Likewise, the principles used as the basis of Paul’s instructions, such as the hierarchical system in the kingdom of God, have not changed and are established for eternity.  Listed below are the instructions given in this passage that continue to be binding today, followed by any necessary justification and clarification.

 

  1. Women should have long hair.  According to verse 15, long hair is hair long enough to serve as a covering for the woman, being distinct from hair that is cut very short or shaved off entirely [v. 6].  In order to satisfy the definition of a covering, a woman’s hair should be long enough to wholly hide the head and hang down the head.  The woman should let the hair grow.  Different from some teaching, this does not mean a woman’s hair should remain uncut and untrimmed; rather, her hair should be maintained such that it more similarly represents the nature growth of the hair.  One piece of ancient Greek literature describes how this is performed: “see how she cuts off only the very points of her hair, that she may preserve her beauty, and is just the same woman as before.”  For practical purposes, woman should simple maintain a length of hair that can easily be described as long hair.  This done as a symbol of woman’s submission to her husband.

 

  1. Men should not have long hair.  Men should not have hair that may be classified as the above description of long hair.  His hair should be clearly masculine, not approaching a length that may appear as a covering for the head.  This is done in recognizing that the man is the image of God, and is the familial and spiritual leader on earth.  It is important to note that hair that is too short for a woman may not necessarily be short enough for a man.  Neither gender should appear to push the limits of decency. 

 

  1. Christians should not act or adorn themselves such that they appear as pagans, prostitutes, or any other variety of ungodly characters.  This is a point well established throughout the Word of God.  The Lord has always required his people to maintain an identity such that we will not be confused with the unrighteous of the world.  As with point five, this will require careful observation of the culture in which we live, being sure to stray away from practices or appearances that are distinctively associated with any form of immorality or unrighteousness.

 

  1. Christians should act and adorn themselves such that they do not dishonor their head in the kingdom’s hierarchical order.  It appears that any transgression of the other four points made here (women should have long hair, etc…), would be dishonoring one’s head.  For the Christians at Corinth, this specifically required careful attention to the use of veils.  Congruent statements are made in Ephesians 5:21-33 and 1 Peter 3:1-7.

 

  1. Men and women should maintain the gender specific customs of each culture so far as they do not intrude on other aspects of God’s law.  Contrary to many contemporary teachings, God has designed the genders with distinct roles and responsibilities within the church and within the family.  Whether in action or adornment, God has always forbidden his people from crossing the lines of distinction between the genders.  Many of these distinctions are evident by express instruction from God, while other distinctions may vary with the need to be culturally sensitive.  However, the need for cultural sensitivity does not absolve us of following other specific commands.  For example, a Christian woman living in a culture where all other women wear short hair does not relieve her of the instruction to have long hair. 
 Posted 3/31/2007 10:54 AM - 20 comments

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I know well the arguments you are using about how women should pray with their heads covered.  The obvious challenge to the argument is thus: is the Word talking to women of the 1st century in the middle east or all women of every time and everywhere?

What about the fact that western culture has changed considerably over the last 2000 years?  Today, tatoos or piercings have next to nothing to do with pagans, et al.  People get tatoos because they think they look good or they get piercings because they think they look good.  2000 years ago, head covering was very important--especially in that region.  It symbolized (and still does) submission and the female mystique.  Today, western culture has grown beyond such overt and simplistic symbolism.  Today we simply are submissive or in charge.  I don't need to tell everyone in my study group, for example, that I'm the leader and they must all be "submissive."  They know for the simple fact that they are free thinking and intelligent that I'm running the show.

Hair is an interesting thing.  I have grown up around Southern rock.  I know guys in a lot of bands in the South.  Yeah, some of them have long hair that I'd call girlish.  However, most of the men I know with long hair do not have female looking hair.  They just do not.  It is a socially accepted practice where I live for men to have long hair.  That long hair is masculine.  I come from a culture (meaning my ethnicity) that recognizes long hair of certain types as not only masculine, but uniquely masculine.  A culture where tatoos represent accomplishment or military service.

What do you say to female Marines, soldiers, or Air Force Security Forces?  What do we say to men or women with tatoos that clearly have nothing to do with pagans?

I am sorry, but the logic of the passages you have chosen just do not convince me that these things are required today.  They were already cultural norms back then and cultural norms change.  What you find offensive may not be what I find offensive.  Are we to constantly pander to the oversensitive?  Are we to wash each other's feet or have we all pretty much decided that was a cultural thing too?

Posted 4/25/2007 11:39 PM by Borg_103 - reply

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Also, I have known many girls that look amazing with short hair.  My best friend is one.  If you could possibly ever look at her when she had short hair and say she looks like a man in any way, you need to have your chromosomes checked out...
Posted 4/25/2007 11:42 PM by Borg_103 - reply

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I appreciate the research you did on the subject of the head covering.  Borg's comments are thought-provoking, as always, but I must respectfully disagree with my good brother.  If we speak of customs, we are living in a time where we find the norm for many is to 'glory in their shame.' (Philippians 3:19).  This is true of the length of hair.  When the Nazis wanted to shame and humiliate women in the concentration camps, they shaved their heads.  It is not normal for women to think short hair is a glory, no matter how pretty their face may be.  Ask any normal man with normal chromosomes and he will tell you how much more attractive and glorious long hair is on a woman.  And just because some musicians in rock groups wear long hair, since when did those paragons of morality become a pattern for us to follow?   The same principle applies to tattoos and body marks - was it a spiritual mind that first decided to mar the body?  I don't know what, if anything, I can or should say to someone who got a tattoo during their stint in the Army. But I have known several members of the church who feel shame about the tattoos they got in the military - they will even tell you that they got them before they were converted.
    There are exceptions to norms in the Bible such as Samson's long hair and marks in the body commanded by God such as the awl through the ear of the slave who decided to permanently serve his master.  But these are exceptions to the norm for specific reasons and not intended as normal for everyone else.  Circumcision is a mark commanded by God for males, but even that is not for public display; rather it is a fitting type of how our relationship to God must be from the secret place of the heart.  
    The key word is in verse 13 - "judge."  The norm in our culture today is "do not judge" and as a result of our lack of discernment we have long hair on men, short hair on women, tattoos on our beautiful skin, and shrapnel as fashion accessories.  Obviously, we are not all of the same mind and the same judgment, on this subject, and several others; but the Lord begs us to be that way.  (1 Corinthians 1:10)

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I understand the sentiment, but I still do not see the lack of "attractiveness" of short hair on a female.  There are many females in the church who have had short hair or have short hair and no one thinks they look like men.  I appreciate long hair over short hair, but it is merely personal preference.  If I wasn't studying for finals, I would comment further.  Interesting discussion.

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As I got to reading the posts here, I got to remembering a question and answer session on the topic of markings on the body. I pointed out the verse that is often used in these discussions: Lev 19:28. We then looked at verse 27 and I made the conjecture that that would have meant only men with unmarred corners of their beard would be acceptable. My point was that these commands had been abolished. After making the command a dear brother brought up a point that I had failed to realize. He mentioned that these commands were here to cause God's people to be different from the pagans. God wanted His children to be different...unique. His own special people (Deut 7:6, I Peter 2:9). We should use the model of a rocker as the basis for argument. Rather we should be using the Lord as our model (I Peter 2:21). One or the most important things the Lord taught us through His example was His obedience to the Father's will. Even up to the very end or His life before the cross He was saying to the Father "Not my will, but thine be done." He has left us with a model of complete and utter obedience to the Father. One of the commands of God, as is pointed out in the passage we're discussing is that there should be a clear distinction between a man and a woman. The lines of gender should not be crossed. Shamefully, today we live in a society that doesn't recognize that distinction, and is starting to encourage those who wish to break the lines. Therefore it seems as though we should be applying the same principle that was put in place in Lev. 19. We should maintain that distinction, whether or not society on the whole continues to recognize it. As Paul so states in the 14th and 15th verses, the distinction exists even by nature. We must recognize it. It is no wonder that Peter speaks of how the world will find us strange for the way in which we act (I Pet 4:4). The point I hope I am making is that whether or not the cultural norm for men is not to have long hair, or for women is to have long hair, we must follow the will of God.
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I appriciate all of the comments thus far.  However, I feel I should clarify a few of the points made in the post.  First, I do not believe that women today should wear literal veils.  I do, however, believe that all Christians today are bound by the principle that we should maintain an identity and appearance consistant with the cultural standards of moral persons so long as that standard does no intrude on other biblical principles.  Also, it is important to understand that Paul's instructions concerning length of hair are not sensitive to culture but are evident according to the laws of nature.  Consequently, length of hair is still a binding commandment; whereas, the use of veils is not applicable in our culture (though, the underlying principles regarding submission, authority, and Christian identity still are).
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That's exactly my point.  What is the cultural standard?  Where I live, long hair has not meant "female" for generations.  Tatoos are the norm.  Maybe it's because this has been a military and shipping town since it was founded?
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Does anyone think that it is interesting that in all the "pictures" of Jesus he has long hair? These are pictures that date back thousands of years. Ignoring the fact that I don't believe that we should look at these pictures as accurate representations of Christ it is important to note that it is likely that they do have some basis in history. Is it not likely, then, that perhaps our definition of long was not the same as the early church? Have modern technologies such as the hair clippers or modern philosophies of cleanliness and presentablility changed the way that men view hair, and thus women? How much of a gray issue is this? And how do you reconcile your beliefs with women who have lost their hair due to chemotherapy or other means? Does the lack of hair make me any less a woman? Does my hair or my attitude have more to do with submission?
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Thank you again for all your comments...

To Borg: I should have been more clear.  The need for long hair today is a point unrelated to cultural standards.  Women should have long hair because it is a law of God evident in nature itself (1 Corinthians 11:14-15).  Tatoos are also a cultural standard, but of what?  Certainly not of a moral person.  We should abide by cultural standards of morality so long as they do not intrude onto other commands.  For example, even if all "righteous people" had tatoos, that does not change that they are a violation of God's law (to treat our bodies as the temple of God, etc...). Fortunately we do not have to deal with that situation because tatoos have never been associated with supposed righteousness.

To LadyLissa: I see your point, and thank you for your comment.  I don't, however, see any historical evidence demonstrating that Christ himself had long hair or any other moral person of that timeframe.  The definition of long hair according the greeks has been defined above.... Concerning your question on chemotherapy, a few thoughts come to mind... When it comes to special cirmustances such as that, we can't be sure, God will judge.  We can be sure, though, that for those who are not subject to those special circumstances the laws of God stand true: it is a shame for a man to have long hair, and a glory for a woman to have long hair.  Does it make you less of a woman?  God will judge, but we can see what his desires for us are and long hair appears to be the standard.  You are correct in stating that attitude has more to do with submission than hair, but as 1 Cor 11 shows, long hair is intended to be the public display of that submissive attitude. 

To everyone: Thank you very much for the comments!  Keep them coming! 

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To add to the good post by CristianBibleStudy, I would point out Luke 14:5. It appears that God never intended to hold us accountable for what we can't control. The same thought is brought out in I Corinthians 10:13, where we see that we have control over all our temptations. God will not allow us to be tempted above that which we are able to control. Just a secular example to emphasize the point: If a manager is a good manager, he will hold his employees accountable for only what they can control. It would be silly for him to be angry with a certain employee because there was an increase in the electricity cost for the business. God, from what we read, seems to operate in the same fashion. As ChristianBibleStudy pointed out, ultimately God will judge.
Posted 5/3/2007 12:25 AM by gunther_scrabble - reply

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"Certainly not of a moral person."  I'll be sure to inform my family members and friends that they have been judged immoral.  They are not immoral people.  And I hugely resent your statement.  However, it seems to be par for the course lately that the church disrespects those who have different opinions.  Too many in the church would have been screaming for Christ's arrest in about 33 A.D. for having the audacity to challenge those who would enforce the words but forget the love.

Posted 5/3/2007 3:57 PM by Borg_103 - reply

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"Fortunately we do not have to deal with that situation because tatoos have never been associated with supposed righteousness."  You should check out some history books.  Even American history.  But look to pre-Catholic history.  Study a bit of Persian history (both Christian and Zoroastrian).  Go to African history.  Even far eastern history.
Posted 5/3/2007 4:12 PM by Borg_103 - reply

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For the record, I'm not sure whether or not I should take offense to your comments directed towards me or not... I posted this comment on my site in reaction the one posted on yours. I had noticed that you had not visited my site and sought to bring it to you. Enjoy.

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The issue has been raised recently about submission. It has been brought to my attention that some believe that men should not be submissive- that it is shameful for a man to be submissive. I'd like to point out one significant flaw to that argument.
Phil 2:5-6
Have this attitude in yourselves which also was in Chirst Jesus who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped but emptied Himself taking the form of a bond-servant and being made in the likeness of men.
In addition to this profuse example of submission demonstrated by our Lord we have many other examples: turn the other cheek, "not my will but Thine be done," the washing of the disciples feet. What better example of submission could you have? Yet, some consider submission for men to be shameful? I'm not saying that men should be soft, incapable of voicing their opinions and allowing themselves to be ruled by women. I'm not advocating a woman's lib within the church where we shave our heads and burn our veils. I don't want to "rule" my father, my brothers or (in the future) my husband. To be submissive to them is to give them the responsibility and authority, not the control. You don't find information to fit a theory. You may well argue that I, the "liberal" (a laughable concept) woman that I am, have done just that. Where did I find this concept of responsibility? In the Bible! We are told that those in positions of authority will be judged differently, that they have a different standard. Women, submit to your husbands; Husbands, love your wives. Love is an assertion of value, a commitment to protect, and a desire to cherish. Where in the definition of love do you find the concept of control? Our example of love is Christ. The example of submission is The Son. Our example of control is the Devil (from whose control we are liberated by our faithful service to the Lord).
Of course, the real issue raised here was the issue of head coverings. How it was, for women in Corinth, synonymous to prostitution to be uncovered. In addition to this there needed to be a distinction between men and women thus the issue of short hair for men. I'm not going to say I've never mistaken a man for a woman or vice versa GLANCINGLY. I'm also not going to go as far to define how long it too long or how short is too short. I believe the definition varies from culture to culture AND time period to time period. If you feel you should wear a veil, then I believe that you should. If you believe I should wear a veil and approach me constructively then I would consider it so as not to offend you. If you, as a man, find short hair to be something mandated, then by all means keep your hair short. However, if you believe that you are a better man if you keep your hair short you are falling into the trap that the Corinthians did. The trap of rank. They ranked themselves constantly. Who was more celibate, who was baptized by whom, who had the better spiritual gift.
I don't have the answers. I'm not passing judgment. This is my two cents on a controversial issue that has the potential for division. Which is sad, because I really consider this a non-issue, yet some feel strongly about it and as such I felt it necessary to enumerate my position as a rebuttal to, what I believe to be, a misunderstanding.

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For the record, I do have long hair but it is response to my own personal desire to not spend much time with my hair. I've had short hair in the past. I wasn't the same woman then, nor was I the same woman yesterday as I am today. I have, however, always been a woman..... sort of a redundant fyi.

And I second all that Borg_103 has said, too.

Contrary to what you may be led to believe by reading my posts, I'm not trying to be accusatory. I'm not trying to find a fight. You are entitled to your own opinion on the subject, just as I am to mine. And don't try and tell me that it's not an opinion issue because the bible is clear. The bible is clear, yes, but our predjudices that we bring to the pages have the potential to convolute it. I'm going to assume at this point neither of us is going to conceed so I'm going to bow out. I'm afraid on this one, you and I will just have to disagree.

Posted 5/3/2007 4:27 PM by LadyLissa7 Xanga True Member - reply

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The message of the Bible is to help us figure out what God wants so we can please Him.  What was God's purpose in putting this passage in the Bible?  Why did He think it was important enough to include?  What can we learn from it?  How much do we dismiss as cultural?  We cannot look around us as the sole barometer of what gender definition should be.  We must also think from the viewpoint of the angels and the LORD.  What do they ask of us?

I am certain this passage has spiritual bearing and cannot be dismissed in its entirety as something for another time.  2Ti 3:16 *All* scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.  So, the question is, how does this passage bring us closer to God?  Finish the following sentence using the passage alone:  God is pleased when I __________.  Then, do it!

Posted 5/6/2007 2:02 PM by not_tamika Xanga Premium Member - reply

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I think the point is to be submissive when required and appropriate.  There are different cultural norms for submissiveness.  Should we wash each other's feet and annoint each other with oil?
Posted 5/13/2007 1:18 AM by Borg_103 - reply

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Again, thank you everyone for all of the comments.  As has been demonstrated here, this is a topic on which many people hold very different perspectives.  Although we do not all agree here, we can rest assured that, as with every biblical theme, there is a most correct interpretation.  And we can be thankful to God that we all can arrive at the truth through careful prayer and meditation.

Concerning my personal thoughts, I believe it is crucial to see the distinction between the cultural and universal implications of this passage.  Headcoverings are directly related to the culture at Corinth and should not be bound on the the churches in America today.  Length of hair, however, is a principle embedded in nature itself.  According to this passage, women should have long hair and men should not.  This principle is timeless, universal, and not subject to culture.  Evidently, the way we wear our hair should be a symbol of submission for both men and women. 

As this discussion is coming to a close, I hope we all can continue to contemplate and discuss the scriptures with the same zeal that has been shown on this topic.  It is also good to remember that although the topic of hair and headoverings is important, there are certainly "weightier matters of the law" which I hope we can soon discuss.  Any suggestions?

Posted 5/17/2007 9:44 PM by ChristianBibleStudy - reply

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Far from timeless if you'd choose to read up on the history of hair in various cultures and timeframes.  The study of history and political science include necessary anthropological and sociological study.  My focus was on America, but I did study a great deal of middle east, India, a little Africa, and early Christendom.  There has never been a universal norm when it comes to gendered appearances.  Believe what you will, but this fact is as clear to any well-read student as the chemical forumla for water.  Examine pre-1492 American cultures (South and North America) and look at their definitions.  Look to many modern African cultures that have gone untouched for thousands of years--this is the most stark example of short hair for both sexes being the norm.

Nature itself dictates shorter hair for all.  Before modernity, longer hair meant increased risk of disease or injury, but at the same time it meant more warmth at the end of the last true ice age in Europe.  Hair length prior to modern cultures was based upon need.  As referenced above, ancient men and women in Europe almost universally had long hair whereas ancient (and modern) men and women in much of Africa had short hair.

Above all else Christ preached and lived a life of common sense.  We should, too.  If we read something in the Bible that appears to be contradicted by pretty much every culture known to us, it's pretty likely we aren't reading the Bible right.

If you want true examples with references, I can certainly provide them.  It'll be a week as I'll be in KC until next weekend, but research is fun and easy if you know what you're doing and I can waste many good minutes of your life with online and paper references.  There are about five books to my left that discuss gender roles and expectations in warfare and politics.  I have an excellent book on Middle Eastern culture pre-Islam (including Christianity's spread eastward to China) that discusses in great detail expectations for the sexes in the very region apparently at issue.

I could go on and on.  God does not want robots, he wants free thinking and intelligent men and women who's eyes are always open.  The principle at issue is neither timeless, universal, nor embedded in nature itself.  Like almost everything that separates man from beast, how we style ourselves has almost nothing to do with nature.

Posted 5/19/2007 2:03 AM by Borg_103 - reply

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You did an excellent job of choosing a thought provoking topic. I'm not sure I totally agree with everything that you had to say but I enjoyed the discussion. I hope that you do not think me argumentative or divisive, as was certainly not my intention. As for suggestions for future topics, I have none but look forward to other opportunities to read your posts. Good luck in the future, and may God be with you.
Posted 5/26/2007 12:47 PM by LadyLissa7 Xanga True Member - reply

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I stumbled upon this entry in my own study of I Cor. 11 and appreciate many of the points (commentary) you've made. I came for the word "akatakalupto", and somehow feel compelled to now leave a comment. Go figure?

Borg: If you're going to compare cultural traditions or customs to God's word, you'll always have an issue/argument. Throughout the scriptures of the NT, God and the Holy Spirit never give options or differing commands, examples, or necessary inference's to people in the Middle East vs. (undiscovered) America. The gospel is absolute, and THERE IS absolute truth...despite what our culture wants to adapt or shift. By your logic with hair and tatoo's, homosexuality is deemed appropriate and acceptable with God. That's just not the case.

LadyLissa: You're right...the pictures of Jesus with long hair contradict the scriptures in so many ways, but don't fall prey to the notion that they stem from truth! Jesus most likely was darker complected, rugged looking (carpenter), and wore a garment girded up at the lions (i.e. pants). He took 39 stripes and was asked to carry a cross weighing anywhere from 250-500 lbs. The man in "those pictures" wouldn't have survived 4 stripes with woven glass, metal, and wood pieces.

CB Study: The only point of contention I would bring up is the gray area of "long" and the Greek definition word "komao", which by your own research is to "let the hair grow". If women are commanded to "let the hair grow" wouldn't it stand to reason that cutting it, shorning it, or any trimming of it would negate "to let the hair grow"?

Call it radical or legalistic, but if we're truly after following what God commands of us, I believe women would be wise to leave their hair uncut.

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I wrote a book on long hair on women and came here looking for an example in ancient Greek literature of the use of the word, komao.  On part V, Conclusions, #1 you make the statement, "One piece of ancient Greek literature describes how this is performed:  see how she cuts off only the very points of her hair;...  This is in reference to trimming ends.  I really would like to know the name of this piece of literature! ! !
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