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Saturday, May 27, 2006
 

HEY guys and gals!!!

Someone left this passage on a comment for the last question

Philippians 3:12-16 (New International Version)

12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

 15All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. 16Only let us live up to what we have already attained.

 

Thanks for that passage!! It is awesome!!!

 

new question...................................................

If Jesus is God, how could he die? If Jesus died on the cross, then how can he be alive today?

 

Have a great week!!!

:)


 Posted 5/27/2006 6:36 PM - 11 comments

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Jesus was both fully God and fully human. He died because he took our sins upon Himself. He's alive today, because HE IS GOD!

Larry
Posted 5/27/2006 7:23 PM by LSP1 - reply

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"God is spirit." (John 4:24a)

Man has a natural/earthly body.  Jesus, as God lived in spirit form.  When Jesus took on natual/earthly form He did not give up His spirit nature as God, though He did temporarily put aside some of His glory/abilities.  His spirit resided with His natural body--fully God, fully man.  As a man He could die, as spirit He lives forever as God.  Since His body was sinless, and since His spirit is God, the law of death was ultimately meaningless, and even His sinless body raised from the dead. 

Posted 5/27/2006 8:07 PM by craigwbooth - reply

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well to answer ur first ?, Jesus may be divine but he is still human. so he can still die. he waz still tempted and stillf elt feeling just like we do. but he was perfect.

second?. he died on the cross yes. but he was ressurected on the third day afterhis death. we celebrate that on Easter. 40 days later he Ascends into heaven. after that he sends down his spirit, which is with us forever. that is how he is still alive today in Spirit.

leah

Posted 5/28/2006 10:47 AM by beagleypup88 - reply

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wow thats a really good question never really thought about it.
ima comeback tomorrow and say what i think.

so how have you been?
Posted 5/29/2006 12:54 AM by sk8er_rockgurl - reply

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Here's some musings from your seriously excellent questions:  death is not ceasing to exist but rather separation.  Physical death is separation from the body; eternal death is separation from God.  And so your question of how Jesus could die if he is God?  We believe that he was indeed separated from the Father on the cross.  How is that possible if he IS God?  While they are both God in the sense that they are one in heart/mind/purpose/essence, they have distinct roles to play.  Ephesians 1:9-10 explains that God "made known to us the mystery of his will...to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ."  This really gets back to the idea of the Trinity and how that all plays out.  I imagine the Father/Son imagery is how they are portrayed so we can understand it with our human minds.  It will be very interesting when we go to heaven to see what it is really like.  As far as your second question, the Spirit that gives us life is the one who raised God from the dead.  Enter the third part of the Trinity!  Great questions!

Posted 5/29/2006 12:59 AM by Squirrel_Herder - reply

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What is the purpose of church "membership", assuming you attend the services and church funtions regularly, you tithe, you serve, and do all other activities done by "members"?
Membership is helpful for Leadership in a given assembly.
Hebrews 13:7 "Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation."
Hebrews 13:17 "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."

Membership can be used to call into account the members to a certain doctrinal standing; perhaps something that will be overlooked in a church that does not believe in membership. (if there is such a placing forth of a doctrinal statement within a non-write/state/requirement assembly then this is trully amazing in my opinion).
Membership can bring a body closer in fellowship by having the introduction to the group. I personally think though that this point can also be achieved by simply having an introduction time within the *church* (or local assembly) to introduce all new visitors, though this puts the spotlight on the new comer temporarily, it also helps the church to acknowledge (especially if the church is larger then 100 people) the need the newcomer will have, and that friendship should be extended accordingly.
BUT we do not see a membership issue in Acts though, but there are alot of things one does not see in the Acts account. I believe we can be totally sure they did not have membership as defined by post Reformation Christians today. This does not do away with the fact they most likly would have some sort of understanding of who the local body of believers was. The need for membership within the early church was also much different then the needs today. One did not go to an assembly for oneself! (I know that sounded out of the blue) but, keep reading! Today when one goes to church it is about picking a church that is just right for... who? Why of course, for ME!!! But within the Acts account one consistently finds Christians [what they have done correctly or incorrectly] connected by place, the church at Corinth, Laodicea, ect.. when Paul is correcting certain things they are directed to a place. Now this appears to me to say that there is a connectedness of members to that place, even if they did not all meet together in one place (if they met in each others houses and not in a place set aside for worship) then they must of had some sort of leadership that they put themselves under. Today we find a lack of this community of believers within a place. (if you catch my drift) They also were not going to the local body based upon the pastor, or people, ect... but they simply attended the local body because hey, its the only thing that made sense! (the was not such a variety, and you attended the nearest body, obviously)
I acknowledge the fact that it is hard to achieve an community feeling like they had in the apostolic days, but never the less, the communty of believers one reads about within the epistles and the Acts account puts one into the perspective of realizing that the assembling of believers was for a different purpose back then.

My personal opinion,
Membership is helpful in bringing an assembly of believers under an umbrella of basic measurement of Christains truths.
Memebership is helpful to call the leadership into place over the body (but I believe in the leadership of many elders and not one pastor) for the advancement of godly service within the community the Lord has surrounded the assembly with.
Membership should not be something that seperates the congragation into privilaged and non-privaledged.
i.e.
Not being a member within the assembly is not biblically something that should stand before
~partaking of the Lords Supper (the requirement for this should simply be faith in Christ)
~Baptism (same requirment as above)
~Fellowship with believers (believers should fellowship within the confines of belief in Christ)

One must not be carried away with the importance of membership, because we are all a part of a much larger and vastly more important membership within Christ.
It might even make sense to some to avoid the membership, if this be the case I would encourage that person to read up within the scripture and decide for himself the course he/she should take on this issue.
But for the person who simply wants a yes or a no, I would say a membership could be helpful in laying forth a well-studied doctrine before this person and leading them on in training by the leadership. (hopefully these would be things offered in an assembly that holds to membership)

Okay Questioning one, that was my take on this issue, which has simply taken me forever to get back to you on!!! (gag)
~L's -- and I ran out of time or I would read the new post you have written... I hope to get back later! ; )
Posted 5/30/2006 8:43 AM by CelticCrazy - reply

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The human body is seperate from the spirit/god part which dwells within ALL of us. It is my belief that we are all part of God and carry the divine spark, or breath of life. Which is our "soul/spirit."

The physical body is nothing more than a shell. Our souls do not die.

Now whether Jesus died on the cross or not is a whole other topic :)

Posted 5/30/2006 10:35 PM by IntelligentDebate - reply

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hi
Posted 5/31/2006 3:40 PM by liliana93 - reply

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Circular question. One answers itself.

In Him

TH

Posted 5/31/2006 3:58 PM by prenes - reply

Hi. You commented me way back. So sorry it took so long.

To answer your first question, Jesus can die because he is human. He may be the holy one, but he was human none the less. He came to this earth knowing what He was doing, dying for all of our sins.

Second question, he can die because he is the holy one. He was human, but all together a holy spirit, and he died for our sins, and remains alive for our sins. He is alive to show us that we can change, like the verse of the day. He is alive because we can do all things through Christ who gives us strength, and He can't give us strength, if he is not alive.

Taylor

Posted 6/4/2006 1:02 PM by Anonymous - reply

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Hey..sorry that I haven't been commenting to your awesome questions!!

That is one good questions..where do you get theses?? =)  Anyway, I believe that we have an earthly body and Christ does not. Since Jesus is God, He has the supernatural power to do awesome things. I'm def. going to research this topic, I'm not to fimliar with this one..haha...( hey, at least I do admit that I need to look this one up!)
Posted 6/4/2006 9:20 PM by TheShadowDweller - reply


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