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Saturday, January 28, 2006
 

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." This is the first section of the thirteenth amendment to the US Constitution. Even with this amendment in place, there is still the military draft. Since, we are at war, I thought that this might be a good topic as well as the fact that there are many opinions concerning it. So...

Is the military draft backed by law?

Should it be legal in the first place?

What is wrong with the draft, if anything?

What are the benefits of the draft, if there are any?

Does it restrict a person's human rights?

Does it restrict a person's civil rights?

Historically, has the draft been good?

As always, please give reasons for your answers. I tried to ask a few open-ended questions to promote this. Also, if you have any topic ideas, you can e-mail them to me...

 Posted 1/28/2006 8:32 AM - 42 comments

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i'm not at all an expert on constitutional law nor do i know much about the history of the draft.  i suppose i could start with how i 'feel' about it.  i'm not a huge fan of the draft for the obvious reason of giving up what i have in my comfortable dorm room to fight in a war i may not necessarily agree with.  that' that.

i think if we look at countries around the world we see that many, if not most, require out of their male citizens 2-3 yrs military service. so for many people it is the norm to go into the service.  i think the reason why americans get so upset with the idea of a draft is because they think they are a single island, with their own will and in america you can pursue whatever it is you like without anyone roadblocking your desires.  who wants to go to war?  seriously, and because in the U.S. people join the military on a volunteer basis, not many are going to sign up.  the question is does your person/body belong to the state.  'render unto caesar's what is caesar's.'  i know that that reference is referring to paying your taxes but in a sense we owe our country for the freedoms we enjoy.  as far as restricting a person's human rights, i think that a draft doesn't so much restrict their rights as much as it restricts their preference.

i think there is little benefit to a draft since it means taking people out of their normal lives and thrown into a war.  if military service is going to be necessary, then i think the U.S. should adopt a mandatory 2-3 yrs like most places, this way it will be a part of our normal lives and an expectation.  i realize not many people agree with war or violence, that's fine.  i realize many don't want to join the military and fight a war they don't agree, although they would fight one that they feel is right. 

when it comes right down to it, if uncle sam says we have to fight, we have to fight or pay the consequences.  i may or may not agree with this, but that's just how things are going to be. 

Posted 1/28/2006 9:19 AM by hesuchazo - reply

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Posted 1/28/2006 9:53 AM by whatreallyhappened911 - reply

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Is the military draft backed by law? When it's enforced it is, you go to prison if you don't go.

Should it be legal in the first place? Yes, if you want to live in this country and enjoy our freedoms we must all pitch in, in times of trouble, freedom is not free.

What is wrong with the draft, if anything? You get a bunch of people who don't want to be there.

What are the benefits of the draft, if there are any? - In some cases it directs would be drug dealers and gang bagers in a different direction- away from violence believe it or not.

Does it restrict a person's human rights? See the movie Hotel Rwanda, then ask this question.

Does it restrict a person's civil rights? The Clinton's were famous for saying, it takes a village. Sometimes we need all able bodies to help secure our freedoms.

Historically, has the draft been good? I don't know if it has been "good", but I do believe we enjoy many of our freedoms due to the men (& women) who left the comforts of their home to fight so that we may be free.

Posted 1/28/2006 10:32 AM by aied8pes - reply

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Military draft is excluded in the 13th amendment.  Attempts have been made to use it for defense against military draft, unsuccessfully.  It is implied, that if called by draft, it is a responsiblity one must accept in exchange for the freedoms granted in this country.  While, I don't "like" the idea of a draft, I suppose it should be legal.  I do believe that an imposed draft would "freak out" a lot of young men and women.  I don't really know if it restricts a person's human rights or not, that would depend on the person and his/her beliefs as well as the definition of "human rights".  I do not believe it restricts a person's civil rights as implied in our idea of  freedom.  Historically has the draft been good?  I think that depends.  While it increases the numbers in our armed forces, making our country stronger in the fight, I think it also affects the course of a person's life in a negative way if that person is "forced" to go against his/her own free will.
Posted 1/28/2006 10:48 AM by Igualdad4 - reply

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Of course not living in the United States means my precious freedom isn't under constant attack. Not that I honestly believe anything US politicians say about freedom and all that, is the threat that big, have you been invaded recently. In fact I find the American worship of state extremly odd. But this is all beside the point. I don't like the idea of a draft at all. And being forced to fight is certainly not entirely compatible with the idea of democracy. On the other hand when the very existence of the country is at stake I guess it's justifiable.
Posted 1/28/2006 11:20 AM by loveandpolitics - reply

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Arver v. U.S. (1918) dealt with this issue. The Court held that a citizen's 13th Amendment rights were not violated by the military draft.
Posted 1/28/2006 12:06 PM by H3W - reply

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as always, even my firmest resolutions failed to stand up to the pressures of time wasting...aka, reading what i really wanted to read instead of what i should have been reading.

i don't exactly think that's time wasting, but certain powers that be don't agree with me.

Posted 1/28/2006 4:34 PM by annabanana173 - reply

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One of the drawbacks of the draft that those of us that have been active duty member of the US armed forces are aware of is that some of us do not particularly look forward to serving with draftees when our lives are on the line. I hear that argument often, but I am not entirely sure weather or not I agree with it. I think that most people, when put in that position, will do what they have to do. But even so, draftees are still no substitute for professional sailors, soldiers, airmen, and marines.
Posted 1/28/2006 5:51 PM by Spooky953 Xanga Premium Member - reply

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I know next to nothing about the history of the draft, but I do have a limited opinion-

I would hate to fight in a war I didn't believe in, give up my family, and the ones I love, all because I was forced to. It seems somehow wrong to me.

Ryc: At first glance a world without money sounds great. Though, if you dig, its not feasible at all.
Posted 1/28/2006 9:01 PM by TwilightsCollaborator - reply

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not many are commenting, i guess suicide is more popular than draft, hahaha,

I dont believe military draft is backed by any law, at least the ones i know of. It shouldnt be legal, at any time whatsoever. If i actually liked war, military ect.. i guess i could see why it would be "good" for the country. I personally think that war with in itself is stupid, why cant humans just talk it out, and be civilized? We can create cell phones that can do EVERYTHING, but we cant sit down and talk to people about issues. I dont believe society has progressed at all. We're not cavemen, but we act like them. god save the queen!

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Posted 1/28/2006 9:30 PM by Mane_Streem_punk - reply

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The draft is not slavery. the soldiers recruited are payed the same amount as volunteer soldiers. it IS involuntary, but so is jury duty. its the same basic principle, i think. the country is in need of "a few good men" and those eligible for the draft (men starting at the age of 18) should do their duty. draftees also have shorter service periods than regular military soldiers and are generally drafted into reserve units.

the draft: involuntary? yes. slavery? no.

Michael
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Posted 1/29/2006 9:56 AM by msv8706 - reply

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one last thing, something i would like to reiterate. the draft laws apply only to those male citizens when they turn 18, i should know, i am registered.
Posted 1/29/2006 10:01 AM by msv8706 - reply

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not sure where to start so i guess "im not in favor of the draft" will work.
i disagree with it for a number of reasons, one being the fact that i disagree with the war, which obviously leads to my opinion on the draft. my opinion on the war (basically) is that its a game of play-doh with peoples lives (on both ends) and thats just not how it goes. you CANT do that. but it happens. the draft: pulling people into the game saying 'you HAVE to play'. is it slavery? : a form of it. but what i want to know is is it freedom if you are forced to risk your life??? and i seem to wonder if the people in favor of the war and in favor of the draft would think the same if they were on the front lines bleeding to death wtih an AK47 at their side. or if the US was suddenly taken over by forgien troops.
freedom has a price:
the price of freedom?
Posted 1/29/2006 3:51 PM by faggette - reply

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I try very hard to stay out of controversy [unless it's in a debate round of course ;)] so..here goes. Oh, and do me a favor and don't crucify my responses. =)

"Is the military draft backed by law?"

I'm no theologian on Const. Law. Yet I'm quite sure that the draft is indeed backed by law when enforced. If it's not....then...it wouldn't be legal, would it? =)

"Should it be legal in the first place?"

hmmmmm. Well, you can't really force anyone to fight in a war, especially if they don't agree with the war. But I'm going to say yes, it should be legal. Simply b/c, it's better to have a certainty of some security then to have none at all.

"What is wrong with the draft, if anything?"

My only problem with it (which prolly doesn't make mucho sense =) is that it makes people fight against their personal convictions. If someone doesn't necessarily agree with the reason of the war...then...they shouldn't be forced to go against that conviction.

"What are the benefits of the draft, if there are any?"

lol. The guarantee that you'll survive through a war as a citizen, if you have a well supplied military.

"Does it restrict a person's human rights?"

Yes it does. The specific value--er-- right of "liberty."

"Does it restrict a person's civil rights?"

Yeah...[I'll have to look that one up.]

"Historically, has the draft been good?"

.....what's your definition of "good"? =)

Posted 1/29/2006 7:20 PM by Rose_caper_89 - reply

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Slightly off topic, but a draft would be unecessary if enough people enlist.

Since enrollment is down in most branches of the armed forces, perhaps Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Pat Robertson will urge their listeners to enlist.
Posted 1/29/2006 8:36 PM by espinosa_baca - reply

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I see that a lot of people have already listed cases and various other sources to back up their comments, therefore I'm only going to put my opinion.

I approve of the draft because I think that people cannot only reap the privileges of living in a society without sacrificing for it as well.  Also, the military is a good disciplinarian and would instill a greater sense of responsibility to the society in which one belongs.  What happened to the days when people fought for their country without being dragged kicking and screaming?  I guess a more global society creates for less nationalism and patriotism in general.

Posted 1/30/2006 11:27 AM by amazngrace - reply

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thank you grace! that is how i feel too.  what happened to our patriotic duty.  let me ask you this. are you okay with them forcing criminal offenders into war?  in La. i know of several people who either served our were jailed.  i think this a great idea.  they can do their duty without being a burden on tax payers

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Does it restrict a person's human rights?

Yes and no. It is agreed that it serves as a punishment for crime. Which therefore makes it legal….but as I have stated elsewhere in one of my posts ‘However, it (is) JUSTIFIED, so it (is) killing, yes, but it (is) not unlawful.’ My point, then, would be that it still to a certain degree it would go against human rights.

DEFINITION OF HUMAN RIGHTS:
“Human rights are those basic standards without which people cannot live in dignity. To violate someone’s human rights is to treat that person as though she or he were not a human being.”

DEFINITION OF SLAVERY:

“Slavery is a condition of control over a person against their will, enforced by violence or other forms of coercion. Slavery almost always occurs for the purpose of securing the labor of the person concerned. A specific form, known as chattel slavery, implies the legal ownership of a person or persons.”

The very fact that ‘slavery is a condition of control over a person against their will’ go against having the ‘human rights, as the basic standards, which people cannot live in dignity’. I cannot foresee how being controlled over a person against my will is a life living in dignity, can you?

Concerning the aspect of the military draft restricting human rights. The very fact that it does not allow a person to have the simple right of choosing ‘violates someone’s human rights’ because one is not being treated as a human being but rather an object that can be told to drop everything and fight for his or her country which is still a ‘condition of control over a person against their will’.
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Just my two cents:

Fuck the draft!
Posted 2/4/2006 3:43 AM by ZobiBibo - reply

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Hi friend!  Thanks for "Subscribing" to my website.  I will subscribe to yours as well.  I will read and comment on your site more over the next few weeks.  The "draft" does indeed infringe upon our Constitutional Rights over the subject of "involuntary servitude".  What should be "interpreted" by the citizenry of the United States concerning the Constitution regarding "Militia" groups would answer the problem of not having enough "official" military members, AND all citizens SHOULD be able to OWN the SAME weaponry as the Military...........  this would help to PREVENT the Civil Government from implementing excessive force and/or reasons for "slavery" issues.  THIS is what our Forefathers DESIRED.  God Bless!  *** "Dr. Curlz"     
Posted 2/14/2006 7:39 PM by drcurls - reply

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The draft was appropriate when there were still patriots in America.  Now the liberals the government and the conservatives can't stand the ure it has produced.  A draft would be political .
Posted 2/18/2006 3:37 PM by TheSocraticClub - reply

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The draft should only be allowed during extreme circumstances of importance. Other than that, it shouldn't be.

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