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Hos 8:4-6 They made kings, but not through me. They set up princes, but I knew it not. With their silver and gold they made idols for their own destruction. I have spurned your calf, O Samaria. My anger burns against them. How long will they be incapable of innocence? For it is from Israel; a craftsman made it; it is not God. The calf of Samaria shall be broken to pieces. In the decades leading up to the collapse of Samaria a whole string of kings ruled the Northern Kingdom. 2 Ki 15 records these kings in Israel following the death of Jeroboam (second) who ruled from Samaria for 41 years. Zechariah, son of Jeroboam, ruled 6 months and was murdered by Shallum. Shallum ruled 1 month and was murdered by Menahem. Menahem ruled 10 years and started paying tributes to Assyria. He died and was succeeded by Pekahiah who ruled for two years. Pekah murdered Pekahiah and ruled for 20 years. Hoshea, the last king of Israel, murdered Pekah and ruled 9 years. Samaria fell in 722 BC. A total of seven kings ruled Israel within a span of less than 50 years. All this king making was not what God wanted for Israel nor was it by God’s hand. Each king was more evil than the one before, all the way back to the first illegitimate king of Israel (Jeroboam, first) who began the practice of accepting foreign gods out of spite, greed and pride (1 Ki 12). Hosea expresses God’s frustration when he asks the rhetorical question, “How long will they be incapable of innocence?” The reference to the “calf of Samaria” is a direct reference to the initiation of the practice of idol worship by Jeroboam (first) when he led the Northern tribes away from Jerusalem’s king, Rehoboam, the son of Solomon (1 Ki 12:28). God had spared Israel many times, but enough was enough and the sin of Israel was about to reap its punishment.
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Interesting but if you read the story it was because of the wickedness of David's house that Israel got jeraboam son of Nebat. It was his rebellion which led Israel into sin but like Saul he was chosen of God. Also note that at least one  king rebelled against the current ruler by God's word. Bringing down the wicked Ahab and Jezebel and crushing Baal worship.

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How about a modern application:

"I don't think that there's any conflict at all between science today and the scriptures. I think that we have misinterpreted the Scriptures many times and we've tried to make the Scriptures say things they weren't meant to say, I think that we have made a mistake by thinking the Bible is a scientific book. The Bible is not a book of science. The Bible is a book of Redemption, and of course I accept the Creation story. I believe that God did create the universe. I believe that God created man, and whether it came by an evolutionary process and at a certain point He took this person or being and made him a living soul or not, does not change the fact that God did create man. ... whichever way God did it makes no difference as to what man is and man's relationship to God."Billy Graham: Personal Thoughts of a Public Man, 1997. p. 72-74 [emphasis added]

Does Billy create a false dichotomy?  Does Billy reduce the gospel and remove some essential elements from it?  In his reduction does he undermine God's Word?  Is Billy perhaps partly postmodern?  Does Billy stand unreservedly for the truth of scripture?  In his sermons, does Billy give any evidence that Jesus is the Christ?

Lance, I'm sure you know what my answer is!  Billy Graham is a beloved icon to many and I am an iconoclast when the icon is false. 

Does Graham lead people astray?  Look who quotes Graham for support for theistic evolution: http://www.answersincreation.org/billy_graham.htm .

My response to Graham's evasion is: "If they do not believe Moses, neither will they believe if someone should rise from the dead."

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I find this passage so relevent for today, so many are into their own forms of worship, and God is watching.  They think that God's lack of response means that God does not care at what is going on today, and yet, they don't realize that it is really God's mercy that propels His being silent right now.

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@New1E13_15 - Technically you are right that Jeroboam was setup as king because Rehoboam listened to greedy men rather than a Holy God. Note that this Jeroboam lived in the late 10th century and Ahab lived in the 9th century. Hosea prophesied during the 8th century. The Jeroboam in this post is Jeroboam II, one of the last rulers of Israel.

@soccerdadforlife - I've long been leery of Billy Graham. It seems strange to me that Billy could be so sold out to Jesus on the one hand yet so open to nonsense on the other. I think your closing statement is true. Evolution has done more damage to the credibility of the gospel than any other fad philosophy.

@wondering04 - Yes, we certainly do tend to take God's quiet for dispassion. How foolish we are!

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