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"In summary, if the interests of Christian faith and theology in the Jesus who really lived are to recognize the disclosure of God in this history of Jesus, then testimony is the theologically appropriate, indeed the theologically necessary way of access to the history of Jesus, just as testimony is also the historically appropriate, indeed the historically necessary way of access to this 'uniquely unique' historical event.  It is in the Jesus of testimony that history and theology meet."

--Richard Bauckham (Jesus and the Eyewitnesses 508)

 

Hello, everyone.   How are y'all?  I haven't exactly been hearing much from you lately (i.e., just look at how few comments were made on my last post).

Well, like I mentioned (I'm going to rant about my personal life for about a paragraph, so bear with me), yesterday I had trips to both the dentist and a chiropractor.  The first encounter involved a fair bit of bleeding, but I'm glad that's over.  The chiropractor visit, though, I thoroughly enjoyed.  At any rate, it appears I have the beginning stages of carpal tunnel (who would've ever guessed that I, a humble computer addict, would have such a thing?), as well as a minor scoliosis.  Plus, well, my spine is just strange.  Ever seen an old representation of a Neanderthal's posture?  Yeah, that's me.  When I walked out of the office, I was actually standing straight for once in my life.  Didn't last long before things returned more-or-less to normal, though.  But I did get a few exercises to stave off the carpal tunnel.

As for the abortion debate (on this site, for those who haven't been paying sufficient attention) in which I and several of my readers are engaged, all four entries for Round 3 are up.  I'm beginning my entry for the fourth round, and it looks like it's going to be absolutely enormous, I'm afraid.  I have a lot of work to do.  Heck, I don't know if I am going to be able to complete it by the deadline, and I (in my capacity as administrator) am the one who set it!  (Though I admit to having presently forgotten exactly what it is...)  Well, because I intend to operate with integrity, I refuse to extend the deadline on my own behalf.  I'll simply be sure to submit whatever little I achieve by then, whether or not it's my best work.  Likewise, I expect other debaters to do the same.  Best of luck to everyone!

The biggest thing I'd like to announce is that I've finally finished Jesus and the Eyewitnesses!  It's about time, too.  The 508-page book took me almost a week!  That's much longer than usual for me (save, of course, that Augustine's Confessions was much shorter and took me several weeks).  Anyway, as can be seen above, I'm now reading William Lane Craig's 1979 classic, The Kalam Cosmological Argument.  I'm already over half of the way through that one.  Having read through his treatment on the uses of the argument by al-Kindi, Saadia, and al-Ghazali, I think I understand better why Craig's arguments utilize certain statements.  However, rather than blather on about that, I'll be blathering about the book I've finished.  I did, after all, promise to summarize/review it.  It's not going to be an easy task, but I'll give it a shot.

Jesus and the Eyewitnesses: The Gospels as Eyewitness Testimony is the latest book by Dr. Richard Bauckham.  In it, he presents several lines of evidence to support his contention that the Gospels constitute or rely upon eyewitness testimony.  Before I get into that, though, I'll give you the table of contents:

  1. From the Historical Jesus to the Jesus of Testimony
  2. Papias on the Eyewitnesses
  3. Names in the Gospel Traditions
  4. Palestinian Jewish Names
  5. The Twelve
  6. Eyewitnesses "from the Beginning"
  7. The Petrine Perspective in the Gospel of Mark
  8. Anonymous Persons in Mark's Passion Narrative
  9. Papias on Mark and Matthew
  10. Models of Oral Tradition
  11. Transmitting the Jesus Traditions
  12. Anonymous Tradition or Eyewitness Testimony?
  13. Eyewitness Memory
  14. The Gospel of John as Eyewitness Testimony
  15. The Witness of the Beloved Disciple
  16. Papias on John
  17. Polycrates and Irenaeus on John
  18. The Jesus of Testimony

I'll certainly preface this summary by saying that by no means is it a substitute for actually reading the book yourself.  I'm a man of poor memory, and I'm likely to skip over something crucial.  I advise reading the book.  (I'll also note that it appears that Chris Tilling is going to be doing a more in-depth treatment of the work, and is also in correspondence with Bauckham himself.  Thanks for the notification go to BronzeArcher.)

Bauckham engages in an extensive treatment of Papias.  For those of you who don't know, Papias was an early Christian writer who may very well have been cotemporaneous with the disciples of Jesus, as he professes to have been.  He makes a number of statements about the Gospels, as do other early Christians.  Papias, Bauckham contends, has been somewhat misunderstood and dismissed in recent scholarship.  Not only does Bauckham defend Papias by showing his usage of historiographic terms and the notions of historiography at the time, he also provides a better understanding of what Papias is saying.  In summary, Papias believes that the Gospel of Matthew was originally written by Matthew in Hebrew or Aramaic, but was translated into Greek by a number of workers who somewhat botched the project in terms of order.  Mark, perhaps written sometime in between those events, was written by a translator of Peter's eyewitness testimony, setting things down in a topical order because he himself was not at liberty to attempt a truly chronological ordering of events.  This explains why neither of the two has the chronological order (the preferable one, in Papias' eyes) in comparison to the Gospel of John, which Papias esteems highly.  (Papias' knowledge of the Gospel of John is evidenced in the decidedly Johannine list of disciples which he provides.)  Papias and other early Christians contended that the figure "John the Elder" was distinct from "John the son of Zebedee", the former being the author of the Gospel and the Johannine epistles, the "disciple whom Jesus loved", and the disciple who survived longer than the rest, eventually dying in Ephesus.  One of Bauckham's stronger arguments for rebuffing the identification of the two is that Papias, remembering a time decades before he wrote, noted that one John (undoubtedly one of the Twelve, this being the son of Zebedee) was dead, whereas John the Elder (as well as a disciple named Aristion) was alive and continuing to preach).  Bauckham has other arguments for the case, but it will suffice to simply say that it's best to read the book yourself, and that I think he's essentially convinced me of this particular point.

However, I'm utterly losing the order of the book here.  Returning to his case, Bauckham also contends that the Gospels themselves intended to identify themselves as based on eyewitness testimony.  The naming of certain characters in the Gospels, for example, is intended on occasion to indicate that they were the eyewitness sources from whom the authors derived information.  (Mark, according to Bauckham, occasionally omits this in instances in which the eyewitnesses might be in particular danger if identified as such--he draws this point from Thiessen.)  The naming of the Twelve in the Synoptics, even though very few of them appear to play a specific role in the Gospel narratives, functions to identify them as a major source.  One interesting case that Bauckham additionally makes is that, when one examines the balance of names among Gospel characters, the balance is decidedly consistent with name frequency in Palestine, but inconsistent with the Diaspora.  The conclusion to be drawn from that is an indication of authenticity, in contrast to the claims of some that the Gospel stories were fabricated by anonymous authors in Christian communities beyond Palestine.

Another feature of the Gospels is the inclusio, by which the authors denoted very primary sources of information for a period.  The use of this method framed the narrative between mentions of the figure in question.  Bauckham discusses a few clear examples of this in other Greco-Roman bioi, but his primary focus, of course, is the Gospels.  For example, Mark has a very prominent inclusio involving Peter, as could be expected.  (Bauckham also notes that the point-of-view used in Mark's Gospel is such that it gives very telltale signs of being from a perspective amongst the Twelve, particularly with the occasional "they" passage without a clarified referent, which makes sense particularly if one imagines that Mark was simply placing Peter's "we"-testimony into the third person.)  Luke also has a Petrine inclusio, but there is also a smaller inclusio involving Jesus' female disciples, particularly at the tomb.  John, on the other hand, has the Petrine inclusio surrounded (just slightly) by an inclusio of the author himself (the "disciple whom Jesus loved" in the later parts of the Gospel, in which that would make sense), thereby attempting to establish the author's superiority as a witness, as he does other times in the Gospel.  As Bauckham writes:

John's Gospel thus uses the inclusio of eyewitness testimony in order to privilege the witness of the Beloved Disciple, which this Gospel embodies.  It does so, however, not simply by ignoring the Petrine inclusio of Mark's Gospel, but by enclosing a Petrine inclusio within its inclusio of the Beloved Disciple.  In ch. 1, the anonymous disciple, along with Andrew, appears just before Peter, whose importance is then stressed by Jesus' bestowal of the name Cephas on him (1:41-42).  In ch. 21 Jesus speaks to the Beloved Disciple (21:22-23) just after Jesus' dialogue with Peter, in which he has made Peter the chief shepherd of his sheep and predicted that Peter will lay down his life for Jesus and his sheep (21:15-19).  The giving of the name Cephas (assuming that the name alludes to Peter's role after Jesus' departure, as in Matt 16:18-19) and the giving of the role of chief shepherd doubtless correspond, thus reinforcing the significance of the Petrine inclusio.  The proximity of the two ends of the inclusio functions to indicate that this Gospel's distinctive contribution derives no from Peter's testimony but from the Beloved Disciple's witness.  But at the same time it acknowledges the importance of Peter's testimony, as it appears in Mark's Gospel, and the extent to which the narrative of the Gospel of John runs parallel to Mark's, while also diverging to a considerable extent. (Bauckham 129)

And:

There is a sense in which, up to and including 21:7, the Beloved Disciple is represented as superior to Peter.  But the sense in which this is true becomes apparent only when we see that Peter and the Beloved Disciple represent two different kinds of discipleship: active service and perceptive witness. (Bauckham 395)

John also evidently used the occasional "we", not so much as a plural referent but as a method of emphasizing his authoritative testimony on the matter.  The use, as Bauckham illustrates with a quotation from Dionysius of Halicarnassus, is not without attestation in the ancient literature.

It seems rather clear that the Gospels were intended by the authors to be eyewitness testimony.  The ascription to the authors in question, furthermore, is unanimous in church history, and surely the eyewitnesses of Jesus' life and ministry would have served as guarantors of the oral history set forth (contrary to the suppositions of form criticism, which Bauckham exposes as thoroughly obsolete).  Furthermore, those selected are hardly prominent figures, as we have on some of the apocryphal pseudo-Gospels.  Matthew, a minor member of the Twelve; Mark, a disciple of Peter but not himself an eyewitness; Luke, a companion of Paul who definitely does not appear in the Gospels; and John the Elder, not one of the Twelve at all, though still an eyewitness according to the accounts.

Richard Bauckham highlights the absurdity of the notion that authorial ascriptions were far down the road after the composition of the Gospels by noting the manner in which authors' identities were affixed to scrolls in the ancient world.

Bauckham also gives a treatment of the reliability of eyewitness memory, drawing on numerous memory studies.  As it turns out, the episodes in the Gospels are precisely the sort of thing one would expect eyewitnesses to remember.  Factor in the fact that disciples in the ancient world were expected to memorize masters' teachings, and that many of Jesus' statements are presented in a form that was designed for memorization, and there's little reason to not trust that they got it right.

Finally, Bauckham makes the case that the very nature of testimony is that it demands to be trusted.  That isn't to say that honest critical evaluation can't be applied--Bauckham is very clear that such is a rational approach--but testimony is such that the very authority of the statement is the grounds for trusting the statement.  Indeed, as the book maintains, it is necessary to treat testimony as testimony.  He even goes so far as to highlight the philosophy of Thomas Reid, who regarded testimony as one of the "social operations of the mind", on the same level as basic "solitary operations of the mind" such as sensory perception, inference, and memory.  Bauckham also notes that John the Elder, being an eyewitness, would feel freer to expound on the significance of the events in addition to reliably reporting them--hence, the distinctive nature of John's Gospel, in addition to the fact that John was undoubtedly writing with an awareness of the Synoptics and aiming to make his own contribution.

All in all, the book makes a rather good case for reasons to trust the Gospels.

  • The Gospels bear in themselves the claim to eyewitness authority, the highest standard of historiography possible
  • It makes sense that eyewitness testimony would be operating as a fundamental component in the oral history in the early church, including that of the surviving eyewitnesses themselves, who would serve as authorities on the matter.
  • Other early Christians affirm traditional authorship for the Gospels, with the authors identified as either eyewitnesses themselves or relying upon eyewitness testimony
  • The ascriptions to the authors as we know them were undoubtedly very early and probably original
  • The authors to whom the Gospels are ascribed are not the sort who would be likely choices for authors falsely ascribing work to them
  • The names in the Gospels bear signs of a Palestinian Jewish setting unlikely to be concocted by anonymous authors outside of Palestine, thus strengthening the claim to authenticity
  • The sort of eyewitness testimony professed in the Gospels is the most trustworthy variety, as studies of memory show.
  • Testimony, by its nature, asks to be accepted and should be accepted as what it is.
  • We simply cannot function with a fundamental distrust of testimony.
  • By highlighting testimony in the Gospels, the distinction between the "historical Jesus" and the "Christ of faith" is properly replaced by the "Jesus of testimony".

This book gets my recommendation.  Obviously.

God bless you all.

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JB, I'm overwhelmed by our little debate over at the other site.

Tell me we're right.

Posted 1/10/2007 12:21 AM by Slingpaw - reply

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I don''t know if I'll post a response to the abortion debate. Track is about to start, and I'm annoyed over the 1=.9999... debate. I'm using all my brain power on that, so I think I might be busted for abortion.

I'm wondering. On one of my posts, somebody said that God hated some people. I thought about it, and couldn't come up with a reason why they're wrong. Can you cure my ignorance? I'm pretty sure there's a Bible verse somewhere.

Tony
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Sorry, JB. I read your post here carefully, and I need to take some time to respond. I do appreciate the heads up. If you want, I'll post a response here later.

Tony,

God hated Esau.

ARU
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Though I should point out that in the absolute language of the ancient world to like something less than another was to hate it. vis a vis Jesus commanding his disciples that to love him was to hate their families etc.
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JB,

Now seems to be a nice time to give my commentary thus far. I haven’t read the book, but I suspect it doesn’t clear the hurdles I’m going to present here. If you recall something from the book that perhaps does get around what I’m going to say, naturally I’d like to hear about it.

• The Gospels bear in themselves the claim to eyewitness authority, the highest standard of historiography possible

I’ve read J. P. Holding make comments about our standards of evidence are much higher than they were in the ancient world…and that being okay with him. That God is only expected to give the kind of evidence to a generation that they expect. And the flaw in this apology is rather obvious. It’s a basic admission that there is no historical case for Christianity that meets modern standards…standards that aren’t designed specifically to “make Christianity lose.” You immediately have already forfeited a historical debate by such an admission…an admission that informed skeptics well know of…and that’s exactly why they reject historical claims of this nature…because so many extraordinary claims would not be screened out and would be accepted by the ancients. Any causual look at any other religion you don’t believe in should tell you the same thing. Why should we entrust the entirety of our emotional lives to the empirical standards of ancient people?

And every entrenched apologist no doubt will squawk at a modern individual with an appropriate and unilaterally justified standard of historical evidence expecting an omniscient God to make sure it is implemented (if for some inane reason he will be absent for the rest of history) regardless of the credulity of the times…especially if he expects the gospel to clear all future hurdles with flying colors. How many extraneous details and dead methodologies were given to Israel…the sacrificial system comes to mind. And yet why couldn’t a sane God impart to them accountable methodologies of skeptical inquiry that could survive any encounter with any religion or any philosophy of all time? Would we not be in awe if Leviticus were about this instead of about a whole bunch of laws Christians for the most part ignore today?

The whole argument “them though just no understand,” falls flat on its face especially when their cognitive abilities are supposed to have been more recently created, less infringed with genetic mutation since the time of Adam and Eve, and in context of having done such remarkable things like building the pyramids…there’s no reason to think ancient cultures wouldn’t understand accountable methodology. No one from any perspective says logic evolved in the last two hundred years. It just didn’t happen to be important…especially when there are masses of people to control…and there is no time for truth.

• It makes sense that eyewitness testimony would be operating as a fundamental component in the oral history in the early church, including that of the surviving eyewitnesses themselves, who would serve as authorities on the matter.

Making sense doesn’t not equal making true.

• Other early Christians affirm traditional authorship for the Gospels, with the authors identified as either eyewitnesses themselves or relying upon eyewitness testimony

Gnostics? Of course. It served their purpose to leave the claims as is because they were doing the same thing…claiming apostolic succession and that their apostles and their gospels contained the real message that Jesus secretly taught to only them.

• The ascriptions to the authors as we know them were undoubtedly very early and probably original

But it remains that the originals are anonymous and that they were labeled by people who wanted to believe in them. Regardless of whether or not the culture expected a name on them means very little other than it makes it easier for pious fraud to flourish that much easier.

• The authors to whom the Gospels are ascribed are not the sort who would be likely choices for authors falsely ascribing work to them

It is well known that pseudographers know this and deliberately side-step a main candidate for the sake of lending authenticity to the claim.

• The names in the Gospels bear signs of a Palestinian Jewish setting unlikely to be concocted by anonymous authors outside of Palestine, thus strengthening the claim to authenticity

This is the only point I can’t comment on given what I know. I expect it to simply be false in some regard or irrelevant.

• The sort of eyewitness testimony professed in the Gospels is the most trustworthy variety, as studies of memory show.

That there are marks of memorization involved? But from what source? If I’m not mistaken what is known as the Q source doesn’t involve much in the way of extraordinary claims that are relevant to a debate on this issue.

• Testimony, by its nature, asks to be accepted and should be accepted as what it is.

That must be near the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Is this the standard of any court? That whatever a witness says should be taken as the “gospel truth?” No pun intended.

• We simply cannot function with a fundamental distrust of testimony.

We are dealing with a situation which requires extraordinary proof for these extraordinary claims and we have a category of pious fraud to eliminate and exceedingly low standards of evidence on the part of the ancients to take into consideration. Not to mention…we shouldn’t just absolutely trust all testimony…people are subjective and what they say has to be weighed in accordance with all relevant information. For instance the testimony of a Mormon that says they have had a real experience that tells them the book of Mormon is authentic. Surely any Christian apologist isn’t going to swallow that whole but instead fall back into almost the exact same skeptical stance I’m taking here.

• By highlighting testimony in the Gospels, the distinction between the "historical Jesus" and the "Christ of faith" is properly replaced by the "Jesus of testimony".

And at the end of the day, the “Jesus of Testimony” is indistinguishable from the “Jesus of your imagination” because you don’t have appropriate standards of evidence at work in your meta-scam epistemology.

There were historians and hyper-educated elites at the time of the gospels that often did complain about how gullible people were in general, how superstition had no obstacles to overcome, how such proliferated uncontrollably even when contrary evidence was immediately available, and how testimony simply couldn’t be trusted at face value. Here is a good essay by Richard Carrier that gives a good overview of the credulity of the times.

ARU
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Response to ARU:

Before I begin, I genuinely would like to exhort you to actually obtain the book in order to make a more informed critique.  While I'll do my best to counter your points, I'm no substitute for Bauckham, nor have I been successful in adequately expressing the full detail of his work, as this would simply be beyond plausibility.

I’ve read J. P. Holding make comments about our standards of evidence are much higher than they were in the ancient world…and that being okay with him.

The questionable relevance aside, you'd have to provide me with a quote from him in order for me to properly evaluate your counterarguments.

I also note that you beg the question that "modern" standards (and by this, of course, you mean the standards applied by you and like-minded individuals to these particular documents) are, of necessity, superior.  Additional incredulity is not naturally superior.

I'll furthermore ignore your complaints about an excess of ritual law (which you find useless, being a modern citizen of Western civilization with no appreciation for other cultures) and the apparent lack of exhortations to use your standards of evidence.

Making sense doesn’t not equal making true.

Then let me rephrase it for your ears: given that the eyewitnesses were still alive in the early church, it is absurd to exclude the influence of their continuing presence.

Gnostics? Of course. It served their purpose to leave the claims as is because they were doing the same thing…claiming apostolic succession and that their apostles and their gospels contained the real message that Jesus secretly taught to only them.

Both Gnostics and orthodox Christians affirmed the traditional view of Gospel authorship for the canonicals.  As for the Gnostics, precisely how did failing to contest this allegedly bogus claim serve their purpose?  Had they known differently, why would they have done so?  And if the canonical Gospels really weren't authored as claimed, why is the tradition so unanimous?

But it remains that the originals are anonymous and that they were labeled by people who wanted to believe in them. Regardless of whether or not the culture expected a name on them means very little other than it makes it easier for pious fraud to flourish that much easier.

Incorrect.  You've not provided a whit of evidence that the original copies were anonymous.

It is well known that pseudographers know this and deliberately side-step a main candidate for the sake of lending authenticity to the claim.

Care to substantiate both that claim and the implicit assertion of relevance?  A number of early pseudographers certainly didn't seem to know that.  Mary the mother of Jesus...  Mary Magdalene...  Respectable figures among the Twelve...  Judas, for the Cainite Gnostics...  In the few instances where they did select slightly lesser-known figures, it's because the figures lend themselves well to the particular mentality of the pseudographer's group.

This is the only point I can’t comment on given what I know. I expect it to simply be false in some regard or irrelevant.

You confess a lack of knowledge, but assume it to be either false or irrelevant, despite your capacity to show this?  That's not exactly in keeping with your reputation, ARU.  It's also a good reason to get the book in order to investigate more thoroughly.  The point being made is that the Gospels show a distinctively Palestinian setting.  This requires either fidelity to the historical reality or at the very least authors highly familiar with Jewish names in first-century Palestine.

That there are marks of memorization involved? But from what source? If I’m not mistaken what is known as the Q source doesn’t involve much in the way of extraordinary claims that are relevant to a debate on this issue.

First, I'll simply note that I don't accept the Q hypothesis, least of all in the standard form.  However, that's irrelevant.  The point that was being made is that the sorts of events recorded in the Gospels are, by and large, the ones that are most easily remembered by eyewitnesses.

That must be near the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Is this the standard of any court? That whatever a witness says should be taken as the “gospel truth?” No pun intended.

You've clearly misunderstood.  This isn't to say that critical analysis cannot be applied to testimony.  Far from it.  Bauckham's point is that a fundamental distrust of testimony is simply not viable.

We are dealing with a situation which requires extraordinary proof for these extraordinary claims

Trying to invoke the ghost of ECREE, eh?  That's the mark of a man who knows he can't dispute the matter on the basis of reasonable standards of evidence.

Not to mention…we shouldn’t just absolutely trust all testimony…people are subjective and what they say has to be weighed in accordance with all relevant information. For instance the testimony of a Mormon that says they have had a real experience that tells them the book of Mormon is authentic. Surely any Christian apologist isn’t going to swallow that whole but instead fall back into almost the exact same skeptical stance I’m taking here.

Try again.  In the case of the testimony of the Latter-day Saint, the response would be that it is quite feasible that the experience to which testimony is borne is real; it's the alleged implications of that experience that are to be contested, and rightly so.  That's entirely different than rejecting that claim to experience itself, as you do with the eyewitnesses of Jesus' ministry.

And at the end of the day, the “Jesus of Testimony” is indistinguishable from the “Jesus of your imagination” because you don’t have appropriate standards of evidence at work in your meta-scam epistemology.

That's your claim.  You bear it.

There were historians and hyper-educated elites at the time of the gospels that often did complain about how gullible people were in general, how superstition had no obstacles to overcome, how such proliferated uncontrollably even when contrary evidence was immediately available, and how testimony simply couldn’t be trusted at face value. Here is a good essay by Richard Carrier that gives a good overview of the credulity of the times.

And feel free to see here to see Carrier become the recipient of a thorough refutation.

In short, get Jesus and the Eyewitnesses before making further critique.  You'll edify yourself in the process.

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