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Original: 7/7/2004 3:57 PM
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Wednesday, July 07, 2004
 

I've been asking and I finally got some answers to where and what the hell is up with Saddam. Now that he's under Iraqi custody and under trial, what do you expect will be the outcome?  Will the death penalty be enacted?  Does he deserve death (dumb question)? Will the execution of such a notorious man cause problems?

Remember, there are three debates posted up.  Feel free to debate on all of them.

 Posted 7/7/2004 3:57 PM - 9 comments

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outcome- death penalty as deserved

i think that there would be some problems if saddam were executed

i would say that there would probably a spike in violence in regions that have traditionally been supporters of saddam

obviously, im no expert on the subject, but thats my prediction

Posted 7/8/2004 4:16 AM by anjichpa - reply

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I cannot imagine that there is ANY way he won't be roasted. I guess you could say that he lived "authentically", so he isn't deserving of death (nudge nudge, Holden), but rather should be rewarded. His death won't make any enemies that we didn't already have, and those who would be angered by Saddam's death are the kind of people we're there to get rid of.

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Posted 7/8/2004 8:51 AM by Saibrock - reply

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There is so much lying going on. I really don’t think anyone cares about America anymore. Check out this site, it's very well made and relevant. http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com The facts on the website are startling.

 

Where are we going as a country or as a people? I don’t like what I’m seeing.

 

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.  

How far that sentence can we get?
Posted 7/8/2004 10:32 AM by SHABOY - reply

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I'm pretty sure what you'll see is Sadaam being forced into employment as a birthday party clown. If you look at the Quaran, that's exactly what it says.
Posted 7/8/2004 8:03 PM by menelaus22 - reply

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I dont know about Saddam..
First off, He's a sick man. Very horrible person.
I think he should stay in prison for the next 500 years. Hes a bad, bad man.

..But there will always be the Iraqi's that support Saddam. If Saddam is killed, there will be major damage. To what? Most likely, America.

The Iraqi courtroom should debate this trial for a long time because in this situation, you dont want to make a bad move.

Oh, and "SHABOY"..that website is full of BS. Kerry/Edwards 04'.
Posted 7/8/2004 8:39 PM by oLdScHoOlRoCkChIcK - reply

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well, it's not completely BS, because he does own those properties... but this a moot-point, because I'm sure that Bush owns even more valuable property than Kerry, but does anyone tell the American public about his property?  I guess not, since he's the one CONTROLLING the media INDIRECTLY.  You could argue that this isn't true, but here's a question: How many times has Kerry been criticized or seems to be portrayed as the guy who won't help America if he wins the election in the media versus the criticism on Bush?  If you ask me, it seems that Kerry is criticized more, or am I wrong?  Whether it be TV, radio, newspapers, or magazines, it seems that many stations or newspapers are pro-Bush, although there may be a few times where they start analyzing him and criticizing him for his bad decisions.

Anyway, back to the main topic; Saddam's fate is going to be determined by AMERICAN leaders?  Talk about building a democracy in Iraq.  At least poll the people on whether they should kill Saddam.  True, he IS a bad guy, BUT they don't hand the decision of his death to the Iraqi people.  Well, I guess you could argue that the polls aren't safe enough or some Iraqis will believe that the poll is influenced somehow.  However, let me ask you this:  Is there a better way to satisfy the Iraqi people despite the shoddy way we handled Iraq?  In any case, the American public needs to demand better handling on the case from our leaders, or this could be our undoing... of course, there is a slim possibility that they couldn't hate for taking away their rights, by invading and occasionally raiding their houses, but I am afraid there is too much of a chance that they will just join the swelling ranks of anti-American terrorists.  You may say that is very unlikely, but just look at newspapers and maybe magazines on how Americans are treating the Iraqis.

On a side note, don't just read Republican or Democratic newspapers and magazines, because that just gives you a lopsided view of point.

The death penalty was supposedly enacted already by the official Iraqi government.

He does deserve death, however, the American leaders should let the Iraqis decide whether to keep him alive or make him go to the electric chair.  Though they probably will vote him to the electric chair, the power of making an important decision by only them will brighten their lives up a little.  If they aren't allowed to make that decision, well, America will one day be crushed by Iraqis who hated us for our abuse of their country, and who left their country in smouldering ruins.

Posted 7/10/2004 11:05 PM by bartfat - reply

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Well, it actually is an Iraqi court, with an Iraqi Judge and Iraqi jurors, under the authority of the Iraqi constitution, which is the only part that we had in this thing- helping to write the constitution. And no, Kerry is definitely wealthier than Bush, but that's only after he married Teresa. Before that, Bush was wealthier. Not that any of that matters though, both are very wealthy, and I would assert that both have gained their wealth legitimately.

You said something about "he" controlling the American media indirectly. I'm not sure if you meant this about Bush or Kerry, but I don't think it matters much. I would say that the majority of top-rated nationally syndicated Radio Shows are pro-Bush. The top shows (besides people like Dr. Laura, who I believe is #3 behind Rush and Hannity) are Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mike Savage, Neil Boortz, and until recently, Howard Stern. All but stern are definitely conservative, though Savage and Boortz are Libertarian, not Republican. None the less, it's safe to say that most Radio Media is conservative, though that in no way means it's controlled by Bush. I've heard all of those hosts rip George W. Bush for things like McCain-Feingold, Medicare entitlement, and his immigration policy proposals.

All of the broadcast TV networks are quite decidedly liberal, and I really don't see how anyone could contest that. Of the Cable networks, they are all fairly liberal excepting Fox, which gets the highest ratings because it's what conservatives watch, whereas liberal viewers split between CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc. The one I really like the best is C-Span, because they truly are unbiased, they just show you what is happening, and don't editorialize. It is the only way to be truly objective.

As far as newspapers go, the Wall Street Journal is right of center, though at least they keep their opinions to the editorial page. The New York Times is decidedly liberal and frequently editorializes in standard news stories, a practice I find as an insult to what journalism should be. I don't read many newspapers, so that's about all I can say there, except that the local paper, the Austin American-Statesman is also on the liberal side.

All of this isn't to say that Bush controls the conservative outlets, and Kerry and the Dems control the liberal outlets, just that they are what they are, some conservative, some liberal. The first ammendment guaruntees us a free press, and the free market has dictated what the American public will and will not stand for.

In closing, let me remind you of the McCain-Feingold Campaign finance reform law, and why I believe it is extremely unconstitutional. I disagree with the limits on contributions, though I understand them, and do not find those unconstitutional. However, there is also a provision that does not allow for candidates to air ads with 30 or 60 days of an election, and that is a blatant assault on the 1st ammendment.

Posted 7/31/2004 11:56 PM by djvanderhoeven - reply

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well think for a second, at first we went to war under the false pretences that there were wmd's im Iraq. as soon as we got into Iraq the whole story changed, then we were liberating them. i think bush should be but on trial and sent to prison for a long long time, but seeing as he is one rich son of an ass hole that isn't happening. (im not a democrat by the way). I dont personally think that anyone deserves to be put to death, even someone as evil as Saddam. Perhaps weeks of torture would be better.. hmm.
Posted 8/7/2004 2:38 PM by No_Rest_For_The_Wicked - reply

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