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Wednesday, July 02, 2008
 
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The Unaborted Socrates: A Dramatic Debate on the Issues Surrounding Abortion
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Barack Obama & Abortion
Or: Why Obama Would Be the Most Extreme Abortion Rights President In History

Obama and abortion. I've been tossing this around in my head since last fall, thinking about how I wanted to bring it up. Then yesterday I read a feature article on MSNBC.com about how Obama is trying to woo evangelical Christian voters, and that did the trick. Obama has talked for some time about how he wants the Christian vote to move to the Democrats so this is nothing new, but now that it's down to him versus McCain the positioning has become more pronounced, so it's time for me to blog.

First, I want to talk about the church and abortion. Sometimes I think we Christians lose sight of just how much the abortion issue matters. 20 years ago it was if not the most important issue to most Christian voters it was certainly near the top. But that has changed in recent times. With the focus on relevance, the emerging church, and a post-modern mindset seeping into the pews there has been a subtle but pronounced shift in the church's attitude towards abortion. We're now more concerned about not being percieved as our father's Christian - we don't want to be reactionary or unenlightened. we want to be relevant and modern. There is some validity to those sentiments. And yes, issues like the environment and the war are important. But at the same time some values should never lose their importance or their urgency. And unfortunately more and more today we are abandoning those who need us the most, while our vote is swayed by other voices. Opposing abortion has become passe - commentators are saying it's what evangelicals did in the 80's and the 90's, but today we've "moved on." We fall for the "you can't legislate morality" fallacy and find ourselves using the term "choice" to describe the abortion issue, just as the abortion lobby in the country has worked to program us to do. We have allowed the holocaust that is the abortion industry to continue on its merry way and let the most innocent and defenseless among us be slaughtered in the name of convenience, fear, and, yes, "choice."

I'm all for the church not being known for its politics (right or left), and I'm all for the church not being ignorantly stereotyped, but all of that should never be reason for us to abandon causes that are truly principled, especially when it comes to actual life and death matters. In such things I will gladly accept a stereotype, just as Christians who hid Jews from the Nazi's should be proud of that kind of label. Jesus said the world will hate us, and in cases like this it should be both understandable and expected, not dodged or shunk away from regardless of how unpopular it may be.

I'm not saying we should be one issue voters. but how can abortion not be one of the most serious matters to us as Christians who do vote? How can we vote our self interests in so many other ways but not the single most vital issue for the innocent who do not have a vote - the right to live? We shudder and rage when we hear about how a lunatic murders a pregnant woman and kills the fetus inside of her on purpose - that's a double murder in the eyes of our legal system - but as long as the woman herself chooses to do it it's okay? What kind of insanity and schitzophrenia is this? And while we may not want to be single issue voters, it has to in the very least disturb us to our core that a man with the record that Obama does on abortion wants to be our president where he will then be able to appoint Supreme Court justices that share his views. On a side note, have you heard that he may have cut a deal with Hillary Clinton to appoint her to the Supreme Court, as part of her being willing to drop out of the race and endorse his candidacy? That's unconfirmed and could change, but the thought of the possibility alone is enough to give me nightmares. That'd be worse than her in the White House; at least that would only last eight years.

So, what exactly does Obama's record on abortion say? Let's take a look.

NARAL endorses Obama. They picked him over Hillary, which was a huge controversy at the time, since Hillary has always been extremely friendly with abortion activists, and she's also a woman. But NARAL liked Obama, enough to spurn Hillary and many of her feminist supporters. NARAL has given Obama a 100% vote rating each of the past three years. 100%. That means Obama has never once voted in a manner that disagrees with the agenda of the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League. Not once.

Partial Birth Abortion. When the Supreme Court finally banned partial birth abortion, Obama had this to say: "I strongly disagree with today’s Supreme Court ruling, which dramatically departs from previous precedents safeguarding the health of pregnant women." In Illinois Obama voted against SB 230 which would've banned partial birth abortions, and voted in 2000 against banning state funding of them, even though they contained an exception for the life of the mother.

Ah, yes, the Supreme Court. Obama voted against the confirmation of both Roberts and Alito - the two superb new justices appointed by Bush that tilted the court enough to actually outlaw partial birth abortion. There is no more politically important matter in the fight against abortion in Supreme Court justices. In this matter President Bush has been superb in his choices. Obama, on the other hand, would appoint extreme liberal judges, the likes of which voted against the partial birth abortion ban. Obama has stated that he admires Justices Breyer, Souter, and Ginsburg, the three most liberal members of the court. Given the chance, Obama will tilt the court back in favor of partial birth abortions.

Induced Infant Liability Act / Born Alive Infants' Protection Act (IILA/BAIPA): In 2002 as an Illinois legislator Obama voted against IILA, which would've protected the life of a baby who survived an abortion. Most babies are torn apart in the uterus and the pieces are removed via suction, but late term abortions usually involve some sort of poisoning of the baby and then induced labor on the mother; only sometimes the baby in question does not die. This bill would've protected that child's life once it was outside the womb, alive. The same year the US congress passed BAIPA, a similar bill. The House passed it unanimously and the Senate passed it with only 15 "no" votes against it. This was a bill that even NARAL did not oppose! But Obama voted against the bill in the Illinois senate, voting "present" once and "no" another time.

Let's be clear - Obama plainly voted against a bill that would've protected the life of a baby who survives an abortion.

Living baby + outside womb + killing that baby = infanticide. Do the math. Jill Stanek, a supporter of the Illinois bill, argued for its passage, but Obama would not relent:

At the end of the hearing, according to the official records of the Illinois State senate, Obama thanked Stanek for being “very clear and forthright,” but said his concern was that Stanek had suggested “doctors really don’t care about children who are being born with a reasonable prospect of life because they are so locked into their pro-abortion views that they would watch an infant that is viable die.” He told her, “That may be your assessment, and I don’t see any evidence of that. What we are doing here is to create one more burden on a woman and I can’t support that.”

Babies as "punishment":  Obama stated, "Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," he said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."

Note the sequence of events he describes - if they make a mistake, then I don't want them to be punished with a baby.

Michelle Obama and Partial Birth Abortion: "In February 2004, U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama's wife, Michelle, sent a fund-raising letter with the "alarming news" that "right-wing politicians" had passed a law stopping doctors from stabbing half-born babies in the neck with scissors, suctioning out their brains and crushing their skulls. Michelle called partial-birth abortion "a legitimate medical procedure," and wouldn't supporters please pay $150 to attend a luncheon for her husband, who would fight against "cynical ploy[s]" to stop it?" [link]

The Bottom Line: Obama wants the support of evangelical Christians, and so this Christian is going to weigh him based upon his actual record and not just his rhetoric and charisma. And what I see is on the matter of abortion and innocent life, Obama is grotesquely off-base, and that is putting it kindly. This man claims to be a new kind of politician. He wants to put divisive politics behind us. He says he's against the politics of personal destruction. He says he stands for hope and for change. He says he wants to unify the country.

The hard truth - a truth that too many of those considering supporting him are blindly ignoring - is that Obama's kind of unity only exists when we fall lockstep behind his extreme liberalism. The hope and change he speaks of are merely implementation of his liberal policies and ideology under the guise of a gentle, smiling presentation. He talks a good game and says the right buzzwords, but what he actually stands for is clear liberalism that is no different or better than Gore, Hillary, or Kerry. How can I, as a Christian, unify behind the ideology and voting record of a man with so little regard for the lives of innocent babies?

This goes well beyond simple pro-choice vs. pro-life arguments. I can willingly agree to disagree with a pro-choice voter who does not see an embryo as a human life. I disagree, but I can understand why someone who does not share my worldview would not see the matter in the same way so early in a pregnancy.

But when you are talking about babies who are viable outside of the womb, when you are talking about the vile procedure of partial birth abortion, and when you are even talking about BAIPA and babies who survive an abortion only to be then killed outside of the mother's womb, I cannot and will not ever unify behind a man who supports such things. I couldn't do it even if I wasn't a Christian. But even more so as a Christian, I can not support a candidate who is so blatantly willing to allow for the destruction of the most innocent of God's creations. Furthermore, I will not support the candidacy of a person who is so intellectually dim that they either fall for or hide behind the "woman's choice" argument/propoganda even in extreme cases like BAIPA babies. I find no "hope" in that kind of worldview, and that is the last kind of "change" that I want to see anywhere in the world.

Each person has to make up their own mind how they will vote and what importance they will place upon issues like abortion. I would hope that when considering our vote we would do it with open eyes and a clear mind, and a conscience that remembers our responsibility to the unborn. Obama has surrounded his IILA votes with more rhetoric and excuses, cloaked in the guise of reluctance and sadness. Such talk is just noise - what matters is the vote. He can talk all he wants, but it doesn't change any of his anti-life votes. When push comes to shove, Obama does not stand up for the lives of aborted babies, no matter how old or viable, inside or outside the womb. And no excuse that he could ever possibly give will be good enough to explain that away.

Wall-E
On a side note, I saw Wall-E today. I loved it. I was totally enchanted and it was exquisitely told. Is it even possible for Pixar to make a bad movie? I don't think it is. Here's how I'd currently rank the Pixar flicks, in order of how much I like them:

Toy Story 2
Finding Nemo
Toy Story
The Incredibles
Wall-E
Ratatouille
Cars
Monsters Inc
A Bug's Life

Starbucks
They're closing 600 stores. Wow. Guess you might actually have to walk around the corner or across the street now for your latte. Horrors!

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I believe this is one of the most relevant entries you've ever produced on your blog, Mike.  Everyone should read it, take some time to consider your points, and then read it again for good measure.  Welcome back, Mike Janke.  It was worth the wait.   

David O.

Posted 7/2/2008 8:19 AM by KNIGHTOWL4 - reply

^What he said!
Posted 7/2/2008 8:38 AM by Jenny - reply

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This and the death penalty are two issues that I do wish Obama had different views on. :(

I think it's funny that you say abortion isn't important enough to most Christians, lol. For the conservative Christians I know, it's The Political Issue. That and gay marriage, for some reason.

As for the Supreme Court - politics should stay outside of its walls. I know, laugh at the idealism. :P But this country's presidents should not be appointing judges based on their political views or approval of certain agendas (conservative or liberal). From a pragmatic perspective, though, it does happen and that's something to consider.

That quote about the bill he rejected is odd. I think it might have been taken out of context. The statements he makes before the last sentence don't seem to add up. It seems like the "burden" he believes will be put on the woman is NOT the baby, because he doesn't believe that any doctors would actually let a viable infant. Maybe he felt that something else about the bill was burdensome. After hearing the "punishment" comment, I would take it at face value, but the context of the quote seems weird to me. Maybe I'll look it up.
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D'oh. I didn't finish a sentence --> "... would actually let a viable infant die."
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I didn't like Wall-E

No talking for 30 minutes...and no talking for most of the movie + Noah squirming on my lap the whole time = no fun.
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closing 600 out of 12,000 is not too bad...
Posted 7/2/2008 12:34 PM by dsemsen Xanga Premium Member - reply

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Woah! He's FOR Partial Birth Abortions??? wow... wow. I had no idea. That's not just idiot for a Christian, but idiotic for any thinking person.
We've been thinking Barak would be the best guy as President because McCain is old and war mongerish (it seems) but this really makes me think the man might be an idiot.

But as President, can he change supreme court rulings?

Furthermore, in this day, where there is free and open access to birth control, there is no 'need' for 'safe' abortions... no 'need' for abortions at all. If you're going to have sex and not use birth control then you are knowingly 'risking' pregnancy. Suck it up. Schools need to teach "Sex equals babies. Use birth control. Even then, Sex equals babies"
Canada is going to give our highest civilian honour to a man who helped make abortions legal in Canada. .... *sigh*
Posted 7/2/2008 6:27 PM by lisamelody - reply

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>> But as President, can he change supreme court rulings?

No, no President has such power. But the President appoints justices to the Supreme Court, and they serve for life. So any such appointment is extremely powerful and has lasting effects. He's stated that he admires the most liberal wing of the court - and they are the ones with activist tendancies and also the ones who voted against the partial birth abortion ban. It's clear that he'd appoint justices in their mold, rather than strict constuctionists (like Bush appointed) such as Roberts, Alito, etc, who happen to be the ones who voted and put through the partial birth abortion ban. So the President can't interpret law like the Supreme Court nor can he overrule their rulings, but he gets to determine the make-up of said court each time a justice retires or dies, and there are multiple justices right now who are ready to do both.

The next President will likely have the chance to appoint two justices at minimum, which could have a gigantic effect on the landscape of the nation.
Posted 7/2/2008 6:50 PM by MikeknaJ - reply

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@MikeknaJ - 

Great post. This is high up there on the list of reasons I could never support Obama. I agree that the next president, in addition to dealing with the issues already facing our nation, will have a great impact on the country's future... both in the way they make decisions and the people they elect to the Supreme Court. It is because of Bush's appointments that the Supreme Court recently upheld the Second Amendment... If Obama were to put in justices that think just like him, there will be a lot of tiny coffins to be built.
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Doomed, if he gets into the White House, that is what we are, doomed! Makes me ill!
Posted 7/3/2008 8:31 AM by stephanieahuvialanier - reply

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I appreciate your shedding light on Obama's views on abortion. He is definitely the most pro-abortion candidate that has ever gotten this far. Your analysis of why Christians are no longer placing the issue of abortion as a front-runner when it comes to voting is interesting, but may only be part of the picture. History has shown that legislating morality is not 100% successful in truly changing a society for the better. It's not just a fallacy. The reality of it is that you can legislate outward behavior, but morality is individualized. (Civil rights movement, the Prohibition, gay-marriage bans, affirmative action, women's rights, all where people were forced to behave a certain way that may have gone against their own personal moral standards, whether right or not.) I think much of the problem is that Christians ARE placing a higher emphasis on so-called value-voting than ever, and in the process are distracted from the life and death issues, like abortion. Christians can get so whipped up on VALUES, and lose sight of what is Christ-like and what is important to Him. Like babies.

Anyway, I don't see how he can get the Evangelical Christian vote with the whole Dr. Dobson feud going on anyway. Sigh.
Posted 7/3/2008 11:49 AM by FaithFamilyMK - reply

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>> History has shown that legislating morality is not 100% successful in truly changing a society for the better. It's not just a fallacy.

I never said that or meant to imply it. Of course what you say is correct.

My point in saying what I did was that it is a fallacy, in that we do it all of the time and our entire legal system is based upon such practices. Our Revolution and Declaration of Independence were legal actions based upon breaches of a universal moral principle. The laws we abide by today are society's attempt at "legislating morality" - they exist to prohibit behavior that is considered immoral or unethical. It doesn't mean that the population then becomes more moral merely by having those laws on the books. But we still make the law, because the behavior being outlawed is wrong.

This "you can't legislate morality" idea is completely bogus in practice. It's a cop-out. Imagine if Northern abolitionists and William Wilberforce would've been told "you can't legislate" morality, and so they then decided to no longer oppose slavery or work for its abolishment. If Christians would not have worked to abolish child labor practices. If the civil rights movement would not have taken place, because you can't legislate colorblind eyes. How much more so does the murder of innocent babies demand action by a society with a conscience?

Outlawing rape may not change the heart of the rapist, or completely stop all rapes, but it still protects the women he may wish to victimize by reducing the amount of rapes and providing consequences for committing the crime, and the criminalization of it is also just the right thing to do.

You mention some of this and so maybe part of it is semantics. But it's the core idea that bothers me and is a false cop-out, regardless of how you want to label it. All of our foundational laws are based upon a moral code. And we should continue to work to enforce and create laws that address abhorrent amoral behavior, even if the end result won't totally end that behavior or result in a change of heart. Simply because it's the right thing to do.

"Silence is 'action'. Therefore, silence in the presence of evil makes one complicit with the evil perpetrated." - Tony Nassif
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So they're starting with closing 50 stores that they notified yesterday and today. These stores will be closed by the end of the month. Half of the stores in my area (almost all of which are brand new) are closing. My store is fine, and will probably stay safe (we're one of the busiest stores in the area), but it means that we're dealing with a lot of people losing jobs and there's no way anybody's in line for a promotion anytime soon. It'll be good for us in the long run, but it's a huge headache right now. I think the worst part is everyone coming in and asking us about it when we really don't have a whole lot of answers to give them that they don't already know. Plus, you know, the whole unemployment thing.
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Thank you for posting this entry. I literally felt ill after reading it. I had no idea Obama was so extreme in his support of abortions and abortion "rights". I am disgusted. I wasn't planning on voting for Obama anyway, but I sent what you wrote to everyone I know and included a link to your site - I have friends that are Obama supporters that need to hear this...
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As I told you on MySpace...great post! I'm going to link to it on my site.

Later bro,

Matt
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Yes, semantics.  Semantics make it possible for you to say basically what I just did with fancy quotes and different wording.  You brilliantly got to your point when you mentioned that it is the core idea that bothers you, and that our laws need to be based on a moral code, and that I can agree wholeheartedly.  What I was hoping to hear from you is where this moral code is found?  :)

Regarding the Nassif quote, I recall how Christ was silent in the presence of evil during his trial.  But he was not complicit with evil, he was obedient to his Father.  His purpose was greater than that of man, and was unseen by even the wisest.  Sometimes that is how it is.

I have a fancy quote too, about semantics. 

“Thus, we see that one of the obvious origins of human disagreement lies in the use of noises for words.”

Alfred Korzybski  

Happy Independence Day, Mike!   

Posted 7/4/2008 10:26 PM by FaithFamilyMK - reply

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> Yes, semantics. Semantics make it possible for you to say basically what I just did with fancy quotes and different wording. You brilliantly got to your point when you mentioned that it is the core idea that bothers you, and that our laws need to be based on a moral code, and that I can agree wholeheartedly. What I was hoping to hear from you is where this moral code is found? :)

Well that's a completely different question all together, but how is it relevant to this?

CS Lewis would say that it is an innate part of being human; that a moral law and awareness of that law is inborn inside all of us.

> Regarding the Nassif quote, I recall how Christ was silent in the presence of evil during his trial. But he was not complicit with evil, he was obedient to his Father. His purpose was greater than that of man, and was unseen by even the wisest. Sometimes that is how it is.

I don't think that comparison is valid. He was the one being persecuted; the one being sinned against. He was also fulfilling his divine purpose by going to the cross willingly. To try and use his unique choice to submit to Pilot's sentance as a model for us choosing stand silent in the face of evil in the world is poor application of scripture at best.

The more accurate comparison might be in those who witnessed the trial of the innocent man, knew he was innocent and that injustice was occuring, and yet stood by and did nothing.
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Thank you for this very enlightening post.  I am strongly opposed to abortion, and will certainly vote against Obama.  Moral issues rank at the top of my list in selecting a candidate to vote for.  God bless ~Judy

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Btw: Loved loved LOVED Wall-E. :)
Posted 7/6/2008 4:38 PM by KariStar86 Xanga Premium Member - reply

I think the thing we all need to remember is that there is no perfect candidate. If you support Obama, then yes, you'll have things he's for that you don't like. But if you're against abortion because you're effectively killing babies, then how in good conscience can we support Republicans who are for the war? Seems like quite a few people are being killed over there too whether it's the people of Iraq or our troops. And what are we still fighting for?

Anyway...not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with your post....just having a hard time myself figuring out which side to support as either way you're getting something that's not desirable.
Posted 7/8/2008 8:46 AM by George - reply

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when you are talking about babies who are viable outside of the womb, when you are talking about the vile procedure of partial birth abortion, and when you are even talking about BAIPA and babies who survive an abortion only to be then killed outside of the mother's womb, I cannot and will not ever unify behind a man who supports such things. I couldn't do it even if I wasn't a Christian. But even more so as a Christian, I can not support a candidate who is so blatantly willing to allow for the destruction of the most innocent of God's creations. Furthermore, I will not support the candidacy of a person who is so intellectually dim that they either fall for or hide behind the "woman's choice" argument/propoganda even in extreme cases like BAIPA babies. I find no "hope" in that kind of worldview, and that is the last kind of "change" that I want to see anywhere in the world.

Well said.
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>> But if you're against abortion because you're effectively killing babies, then how in good conscience can we support Republicans who are for the war? Seems like quite a few people are being killed over there too whether it's the people of Iraq or our troops. And what are we still fighting for?

Thanks for your comment.

I don't think the comparison is a fair one to make, though. It's apples to oranges.

The aborting of a baby is the killing of an innocent life. The baby has done nothing except come into existence; it is guilty of no crime and no offense.

On the other hand, you're talking about a war. You can ask the question whether the war itself was a just war. That can be debated either way, but it's a different question. If your main concern with that war now, though, is that innocents are being killed it seems to me that our presence there is keeping that from escalating to a much greater scale. The violence in Iraq has dropped *substantially* over the past year (I was about to blog about this), as the surge has had a profound effect in the conditions on the ground. Should we now decide to leave there would be a surge of the opposite kind, as the terrorists and insurgents would move in, take control, and commit muder and other acts of violence against those Iraqis who have cooperated with the US and with the current Iraq government that is trying to establish working system. So by staying and continuing to keep a calming presence on the ground and supporting the government we are in effect preventing a potentially much greater slaughter.

Either way, it's an apples-to-oranges comparison. Babies have done nothing to deserve death. Terrorists and insurgents who incite violence do not have that mantle of innocence to claim.
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Great post, Mike.  Too bad it isn't featured.  Of course, then you would be waaaay busy reading all your comments.
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