What follows is a transcription of our Rhetoric group discussing poetry, notes taken by Timothy v.d. B (he's British, excuse the spelling...) Great fun. Enjoy.
John
Donne
Songs
and Sonnets
Not
so jolly cool, generally rather repetitive. The Bait was kind of fun. We don’t
tend to prefer the love songs. We find them rather lovey dovey in an rather
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy over
the top way.
Elegies
Very
nice by and large. Especially when they were talking about death.
Marriage
songs
We
found this somewhat scandalous.
Epigrams
We
found these funny, by and large.
Satires
A bit to
long, fairly clever. Not the very best of Donne’s work.
The
Progress of the Soul
Philistines
think this is not such a wonderful poem.
Verse
Letters
Should
have been more careful in his personal relationships.
Epicedes
and Obsequies
Bad
The
Anniversaries
Good
imagery in the first one. Most of the Progress of the Soul stuff was blah.
Divine
Poems
Some
really, really nice stuff. Litany XVI is good.
The
Top 500 Poems
Sir Walter Raleigh – fun
Marlowe – we don’t like him
Shakespeare – masterful use of words that
didn’t exist before he mastered them.
Ben Jonson – rubbish, sappy etc
Robert Herrick – preacher, perhaps not well
suited to the clergy
George Herbert – very devout, Godly man
John Milton – some really good stuff (On
His Blindness)
Andrew Marvell – satirist, varying quality,
some really good
Alexander Pope – rhyming couplets and
rhythm was good (essay on criticism)
Thomas Grey – amazing The Gold Fishes
William Blake – there were some kinda good
ones
Robert Burns – A Red, Red Rose, The Mouse
William Wordsworth – One of the first Romantic
poets.
Sir Walter Scott – really good: Lochinvar
Coleridge – historical stuff, poetry was
mostly inside books. The Rime of the Ancient Mariner.
Leigh Hunt – Abou Ben Adhem is really
famous
Byron – Sennacherib was really good, and
generally good poetry though bad life.
Shelley – sappy
John Keats – he was pretty amazing. A
Romantic but not quite so bad.
Emerson – kinda like Wadsworth. Also
links with Longfellow.
Poe – The Raven, The Bells
Tennyson – Kaitlin likes him a lot. Wants
to spend a quarter of her life on one of the poems, Mr. Wilson’s worst poem, in
fact. Victorian pleasant, can be a bit grand.
Robert Browning – pretty amazing poet.
Dramatic dialogues are very famous.
Lear – Fun, light. Sieve…(unfit vessel!)
Whitman – Very famous, wrote really free
verse. O Captain! My Captain!
Matthew Arnold – nihilist, despairing etc
Dante Gabriel Rossetti – sad, late romantic
Dickinson – kinda odd.
Christian Georgina Rossetti – sweet and
sad
Lewis Carroll – fun use of words
Hardy – Kaitlin despises him, Courtney
doesn’t think she likes him. I can understand this. Jamie has not commented.
Nor has Julie. But I’m sure they agree. We talk about his most famous novel. I
have read it. Cultured me. Good selection, eh? I think we are moving on.
Hopkins – Jesuit priest. We like him, don’t
we? Yes, we do. I think that is basically because Dr. Field likes him. Dr.
Field has good taste, he likes Stilton. Talking of Field…
Eugene Field – optimistic, post the war of
Southern Rebellion. But he was only 15 when the war of Northern Aggression
ended. That kinda took the wind out of the sails – we don’t expect that much
about Calvin.
Oscar Wilde – amazing writer. Ballad of
Reading Gaol.
A.E. Houseman – America
folksy.
Kipling – imperialistic poet.
Yeats – people like him. “If he was not on
drugs, he had an amazing mind,” – according to one of our literary experts, C.
Wright. “It has this postmillennial kind of feel to it,” says expert K. Grady.
“Eliot feel” – C. Wright proffers. We are moving on. But the experts are moving
with us, so put your seat belts on and get ready for the ride.
Robinson – We are talking of Copperfield.
But it is my fault. But pretty impressive literary link for a literary know
nothing.
Frost – Girls shouldn’t ride with boys. The
link: we should not melt the natural frost that exits between the sexes in a
good, solid, Reformed Conservative community. “Frost was interesting” –
CW “We like him” – KG. Kinda like Dillard,
but not so cynical. We like mending the wall. He is very concrete.
Carl Sandburg – contemporary. One of our
experts, KG, has retired. She is a snob (sic) and doesn’t like rubbish.
Wallace Stevens – interesting … very
contemporary, free verse, whimsical, obscure.
William Carlos Williams – The Red
Wheelbarrow
Lawrence – “drags you in” – KG. “Kicking and screaming,” I wonder? Talks
about the ROTAM. “He should have killed it,” says CW.
Ezra Pound. Jerk. Bad. Ugh. TS Eliot takes
a punch, he liked Pound.
Eliot – We like The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock. Oh yes, we like him a lot.
Coffee spoons. Hmm... The Wasteland requires Kenny. Very contemporary. “…its
like well he’s definitely…” – CW. He became optimistic. Courtney wouldn’t marry
Chesterton. Kaitlin wouldn’t marry a Baptist. I would though. But she’d have to
be British.
Wilfred Owen – WW1 poet, British patriot.
EE Cummings – “wrote some pretty bizarre
stuff” – expert.
WH Auden – He’s famous, but we know nothing
about him.
Dylan Thomas – very good with pictures.
“Wrote a hard one beginning with a “V”” – KG “What did we say about TS Eliot –
apart from the fact he was very good?” - JVT
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