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Saturday, October 07, 2006
 

Suicide Without Actually Killing Yourself

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 Suicide. I feel like I have to talk about this because I've seen this topic come up on several sites and have received messages that mention suicide. I want to share my opinion on the matter. I realize that this is a sensitive subject, and I don't mean to offend anyone...but I will be blunt and not hold back. This is your warning to leave the page if you don't want to hear my opinion on the matter.

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 We all have shitty days...days, that seem unfair. From losing a spouse, a job, a  friend, being involved in an automobile accident...whatever. Those problems usually mend themselves naturally with time. There are some things in life though, that really try us and push us to our limit. These things go deeper than that. I'm talking about rape, abuse, drugs, poverty, illness, and disease to name a few. These things can be very traumatic and time will not usually make these things any better. There is a certain amount of hopelessness that comes to individuals placed in these situations. It can be overwhelming. However, no situation is hopeless.

 I think of my own childhood. I was poor and hungry. I had an alcoholic father who seemed to enjoy beating my mother and even us on occasion. I had people who molested me and took advantage of my innocence. I could go on...but I don't want to turn this into a sob story. I think back on all those things and they seem so distant...and maybe they are. They don't have the same effect that they had on me back then. They are just memories. Could it be that I'm older and have forgotten about that? Maybe for some, but not in my case. If I close my eyes, and think back on those experiences I can still recall facial gestures, smells, pain, humiliation and most of all...anger. A child (or anyone else for that matter) shouldn't be subjected to those kinds of things. But that doesn't give me an excuse to go and be a mass murderer. It doesn't make it okay for me to molest children. It doesn't make it okay for me to go and rape women or beat my children or whatever. NO. Life isn't fair sometimes...no fucking shit! We have to learn to deal with these situations because we as humans do have the capacity to overcome them.

 There are many examples of this. Take Dr.Viktor E. Frankl (author of the book "Man's Search For Meaning"). Take Rigoberta Menchu (author of her autobiography that won the nobel peace prize), take a hundred other examples...and you will see that others had it worse than you or I.

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 And this is my point. We fall into the trap of those hopeless feelings. We begin to feel sorry for ourselves. We turn against God and say stupid shit like, "I don't believe in God when there's [enter any unfair shit here] in the world." There is great truth in the words of Friedreich Nietzsche "That which does not kill us makes us stronger." That is truth. We go through these things for a purpose. It is up to you or I to find out what that purpose is. Could it be to help us learn how to really understand something and be able to comfort another? Could it be to help us raise our children in this quickly decaying society? Could it be to help steer us towards God? I don't know. I know what that answer is for me.

 I'm not casting stones at people who are thinking of suicide, believe me, I'm not. I have been there. I've felt those feelings of wanting to end it all. I thought about it every second of the day for a while. In the dark, cold, emptiness of solitary confinement...with just my guilty conscience and anger to keep me warm...that's all I wanted. That's all I thought about. But in my darkest hour, in the very moment when I almost gave in to my feelings...I found God. It wasn't a bicycle toting missionary that brought me this. It wasn't the prison Chaplain and his bullshit words. It wasn't a parent offering advice. It was the very Spirit of God that illuminated my mind as I read his words. It was the silent prayers I offered in the darkness. It was the knowledge of realizing that I wasn't alone. No amount of drugs could comfort me the way that I was comforted. In the past, I found forgetfulness in a bottle of Southern Comfort. I found forgetfulness in a woman's innermost parts. I found forgetfulness in drugs....but nothing ever really made me forget. It took something greater than anything in this world.

 I'm convinced that nobody can give you that gift. This is the very reason I don't quote scripture and throw my beliefs in your face. It is a journey that the individual must take on his own, without assistance. When the time is right for you...it will be there...you will find it if you really want it. But maybe you're tougher than me. Maybe you can get through it on your own. Maybe my words didn't reach you...maybe you know better. If that's the case, so be it. I wish you luck. If you continue down that path...you've already killed yourself, just not physically.

-Miguel

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very well said. a lot of truth there. and thank you for sharing and not being one to shove stuff down people's throats... that's something I try not to do as well. I know the answers for myself, but you can't make the answers for someone else. :)
Posted 10/7/2006 1:26 AM by mrsmonkey - reply

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I soak up your words like a sponge.

I, too, had some nasty experiences, growing up. That made me more determined to be better, to be good, to be the best person, mom, wife, sister, friend, etc, etc. I can be. Even the best daughter I can imagine, although it was my mom who inflicted most of the misery on me.

I never had suicidal thoughts.
I think because I know there is "someone" watching over me, protecting me.
Yeah, you know who I am talking about. I just feel I can not say it, since I have my doubts and questions at times, but no one seems to be able to help me or answer me.

Like I have no right to even consider talking about Him, or to Him...

But, your entries and words have made me think more and more about it.
Guess that is a start, huh?

Posted 10/7/2006 2:07 AM by halomutiny Xanga Premium Member - reply

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This entry is quite deep.  It made me realize that I have to find God for myself, not based on what someone else tells me.  I think you left me a comment saying that. . . .but I'm hard-headed I guess.
Good work.
Posted 10/7/2006 2:07 AM by Ixwantxmore - reply

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I think that, in all honesty this is the best post I've ever read.  It's all SO true and I agree with you 100%.

We both know that people deal with similar situations differently and that's ok.  However we have to be strong enough to accept that bad shit happened (no, I'm not saying that whatever bad that happened is fair or that a person should ACCEPT the badness, just the fact that it happened), figure out how you're going to deal with it, learn from it and continue on with your life.  Personally, I could never commit suicide and while I think it's selfish to do, I feel bad for those that think it's the answer.

Another thing that I agree with is when you said, "that doesn't give me an excuse to go and be a mass murderer. It doesn't make it okay for me to molest children. It doesn't make it okay for me to go and rape women or beat my children or whatever."  Once a person reaches a certain age, they need to be held accountable for their actions.  If a person was raped at age 14, when they're 35, they know that it's not right...a traumatic childhood doesn't give the victim the right to perpetrate the crime.

It's just so sad that people that need help don't get it...and then it becomes too late.

Posted 10/7/2006 3:40 AM by Fiona_Vanderwall - reply

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Close post to me.

I think about suicide every moment of every day.  I have been since I was 13.  Not because I'm upset or things aren't going right.  Just because.

Last night I was wondering how it would feel to jam a pen into one side of my wrist and out the other.

I am going to stop talking about this now.  You have found a subject I wont open up completely about.

Posted 10/7/2006 4:35 AM by xXxAmelia_McGinnisxXx - reply

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Another thought-provoking post, compadre.  I hate to see you put down the "bicycle-toting missionary" and the "bullshit words" of the prison chaplain, because they're probably doing the best they can, and they do reap some results.  But you're right...the trip away from existential despair and toward God and good is ultimately a journey we have to make on our own.  The spirit of God DOES meet us more than halfway if we're willing and sincere.

Having said that, I will admit that I've struggled with depression for over 20 years now, ever since my wife left me and took my one and only child.  After that it was a short trip to losing my health, career, house, and what little prosperity I had enjoyed.

I admit that to a certain extent I've lost my former focus on heavenly rewards, and have become obsessed with the things I do NOT have on this earth.  One of my theories is that, to have a modicum of happiness on this earth, we have to have SOMETHING positive going on in our lives.  Family is probably the most important thing, but maybe it's friends or a fulfilling career or even material prosperity.  When you have NONE of those things, the temptation to despair is strong indeed.

I have observed in the past that you seem to have gotten more than your share of second chances.  And at first blush it would be easy to say that you have triumphed over your existential angst with the aid of a loving wife and children, a decent career, etc.  But here you write that you began to come out of your despair BEFORE all that good stuff began to happen to you, with the aid of the spirit of God alone.  And that gives me pause....

My heart goes out tremendously to young people like Amelia above who feel such despair.  If I could give her the biggest hug of her life I would gladly do so.  If I could give my very life so that she could find happiness, it would be a small price to pay.

You're out here changing lives a little bit at a time, Miguel.  Thank you.

Posted 10/7/2006 6:11 AM by Eccentrique Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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^^^ You're right John, that did sound harsh now that I think about it. No insult intended. They for sure do a lot of good in the world. I just meant that it takes more than man has to offer. Thanks for pointing that out.
Posted 10/7/2006 6:34 AM by Xcholo4u Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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      Thank You

Posted 10/7/2006 9:13 AM by Captive_Man - reply

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Powerful and inspired. This should be part of your book, Miguel, if it is not already. More people than just the people here on Xanga need to read this.
Posted 10/7/2006 9:34 AM by CynaraJane Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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You've got great timing, Miguel.  I was thinking of suicide last night.

I have trouble avoiding suicide, unfortunately.  Partly because I've attempted before.  Partly because it's an automatic thought when things go wrong - "Shoes came untied, might as well kill myself."  Yes, it happens over such insignificant things.  It's one of the reasons I'm on meds.  I take pills every day to keep me from killing myself.  I want to attribute it all to being bipolar, to having a biological disorder that I can't do anything about.  I'll take pills for the rest of my life, however long that is.  At this time in my life, I'm not ready or really willing to accept God.  There has to be another way.  After 22 years of depression consuming me, with better pills and some therapy, there's got to be a way.  But honestly, I can't see myself dying any other way than by my own hand.

Posted 10/7/2006 9:36 AM by jeddy_three - reply

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RYC:  YES!  You called and I can't thank you enough for your kind words.  When you are living on pins and needles waiting for an answer, it can become a bit depressive, especially when you are looking at your kids knowing that if you don't get what you NEED they will suffer.  I couldn't thank that principal enough last night.

Now about your post...I can totally agree.  I grew up in a religous cult of sorts.  I had an abusive step-father and very, very cold family.  I was a victim of date rape at sixteen, pregnant by a married man by 19, married and divorcec by 21, pregnant again at 22, married at 23, divorced by 26 and then became a serious functioning alcoholic (I drank EVERY NIGHT)  that threw herself into countless numbers of partners and meaningless sex.   I put my life in danger with stupid pranks and driving drunk.  I was just on the brink of suicide.  I had a bottle of rum and a handful of prescription sleeping pills.  What stopped me?  The thought of my little girls walking into my room and finding their mommy dead.  How awful for them and how selfish of me.  So I took charge.  I sent my girls to live with their dad and I got the hell out of dodge...dodge being Norfolk, VA.  That place was poison for me.  I took orders to Guam, put as much distance as possible between and those that held me down.  It took four months, but I got myself clean.  I went to medical and got a psych exam and put on meds.  I quit clubbing, quit drinking.  I lost weight, began to exercise and then I met Miguel. Miguel made me want to be a better person, not just for him but for myself and my kids.  Before Miguel, I didnt' have any ambitions in life...I was just taking up space and breathing air.  I never would have challenged myself to go to college without his support.  This teaching thing...never would have happened  without him beside me the entire way.  I see in him the person I want to be.  God loves me, I know this, or I would have been dead a long time ago.  A person has got to want to change  before a change can happen.

I'm done preachin' now.

Posted 10/7/2006 9:47 AM by nkleyva Xanga Premium Member - reply

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This is a message of HOPE!

Posted 10/7/2006 10:45 AM by online now seedsower Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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RYC: YW! It is my pleasure.
Posted 10/7/2006 11:05 AM by CynaraJane Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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I came from CynaraJane's. Very thought-provoking.

Posted 10/7/2006 11:19 AM by Spacey1 Xanga True Member - reply

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Great post.  I read a book called "Diary in the life of a slave girl" that really changed my perspectives.  I think Psychology can sometimes unintentionally encourage the victim mentality.  This is a tragedy.  Pete.
Posted 10/7/2006 11:29 AM by pedrothepoet Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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Very deep and exceedingly well said.  I'm glad Cynara put a link to your site up.
Posted 10/7/2006 11:50 AM by Greywalker Xanga Premium Member - reply

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Very thoughtful words! Alot of people wait for someone to say this to them! God bless!
Posted 10/7/2006 12:24 PM by browlee Xanga Premium Member - reply

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very moving and thought provoking post....i've been there many times and yet i just don't seem to be able to go.....i need that hope, that love.  thanks for sharing this.
Posted 10/7/2006 1:02 PM by jtqueenbee30 Xanga True Member - reply

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Reading your entry again. And my heart is hurting and crying over the picture of the little child, starving to death, and the buzzard, waiting for it.
Shit...sometimes life sucks and this world is so bloody depressing.
Wish I could save it all!!

Your kind words about me on Brad's site were very sweet. Thanks for that.

Hugs

Posted 10/7/2006 1:23 PM by halomutiny Xanga Premium Member - reply

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Very powerful ... I think your words are going to stick in my head for a long time ...

It resonates with me especially now, because of all the school shootings that have been going on lately, including at one of my former schools (Dawson College in Montreal) - people and journalists are wondering "why" someone would become so angry and disillusioned to the point that they would kill others & take their own lives... and in the process they blame bad parenting, loss of values in society, violent video games, social isolation & abuse, etc... basically everything EXCEPT the guy who pulled the trigger. All of those other factors might have had an impact but in the end, you're still responsible for your own actions and NOTHING can excuse something like that.

That being said, there are still times when suicide might be the only way out ... not everyone is lucky enough to recover from what overwhelms them ...

That picture you have of the little girl being stalked by a vulture? It's from the famine in the Sudan in 1993 ... Kevin Carter, the journalist who took that picture, won the Pulitzer Prize ... and soon afterwards, he was so tormented by what he saw and not knowing what happened to that girl, that he took his own life. It's a doubly sad story.

Anyway, enough of that! I'm going for breakfast.
Posted 10/7/2006 1:29 PM by chantyshira - reply

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It is only through ourselves that we can solve this...
Posted 10/7/2006 1:42 PM by Leonidas Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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Miguel,

As "powerful" as this post was [and I whole-heartedly agree, it is powerful], I can't be the only one who laughed at the pic of the kid getting shit on by the bird.

Great post.

Posted 10/7/2006 2:11 PM by ThePresidentsCafe Xanga Premium Member - reply

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^^Yeah, I laughed at that too! I thought that it was a very funny picture...that's why I used it.
Posted 10/7/2006 2:16 PM by Xcholo4u Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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Excellent post...just absolutely excellent and well stated. I hope this hits featured and more and more people read this!

~Tiffany
Posted 10/7/2006 2:39 PM by QueenPicky - reply

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RYC: Good point.  Rich people do tend to get hit up for freebies all the time.  But what would be the harm in sharing some of their good fortune with others?  They can still draw lines where it seems appropriate, lines that would be a little more humane than simply turning their back on their former friends.

Have a great weekend, Miguel.  Enjoy that beautiful family of yours!

Posted 10/7/2006 2:40 PM by Eccentrique Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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