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Wednesday, May 14, 2008
 

Bodice- Ripping Fiction

Books figure into much of my conversation (duh) and after the inevitable “Oh, you’re a reader!” people ask, “So, what do you read?”

To which I answer, “Anything but modern horror / suspense / crime, westerns and self-help.”

Which is true; I deliberately read from a wide array of subjects and genres, both fiction and non-fiction.

But cleverly disguised in this statement is a truth many don’t realize.

I read Romance Novels.

And inevitable when people know that, they’re opinion of me drops significantly and I get the, “Oh, you read those sort of books. Well, I thought you read real books.”

I could rain verbal fire and brimstone on such ignoramuses (what is the plural of that? anyone?) who dare judge me by the books I read, but then, that’d be hypocritical, because up until a few years ago, I responded the same way.

Romance Novels take a lot of criticism, both from literary critics and from people with moral objections.

One common criticism is they are female porn, no different then Playboy. Another is they promote an unrealistic view of romantic relationship and sex.

Some Christians believe it is a sin to read them. Some think its okay as long as there’s no sex or kissing and the heroines believes in God.

I think, for some people, reading them is bad. I agree that some are more pornography than story. When I was single, I knew God did not want me reading them. But now, I don’t feel the same. Even so, I still occasionally return a book to the store after reading a few pages because it is more explicit then I’m comfortable with.

I don’t find myself possessed of an unrealistic view of love from them. Perhaps it’s my personality (logic over emotion) or the fact I live in a real marriage in the real world or that I don't believe real love is easy.

In the end, I find them an occasional respite from the less-fluffy classics or non-fiction and an enjoyable story form.

But I know many people think differently than I.

So, here’re my questions:

Do you think Romance novels are “real” literature?

Do you think reading them is A. a Sin for everyone, B. a Sin for some (like alcohol) or C. a Sin for no one?

Why do or don't you read them?

Esprit de l’escalier: “Literature is where I go to explore the highest and lowest places in human society and in the human spirit, where I hope to find not absolute truth but the truth of the tale, of the imagination and of the heart.” ~ Salman Rushdie

Theading Roughts: This was the most recent read. I average about 1 every 4-6 weeks, mostly when I tired and just want a good story. This author is a favorite because she writes historical fiction (my preferred sub-genre) with amusing characters, good dialogue and a bit of humor.

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ignoraMOOSEN!  that's the plural. 

 

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Posted 5/14/2008 1:44 PM by Evowookiee Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

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Just visiting... I have read romance novels in the past. Being married as well, I think they are a break from the reality. And not all of them are as graphic as others, so I would think it's not that different from some of the movies I've seen. I think they might be a sin for some people, depending on how they use the literature. For me, it's kind of a guilty pleasure.  - Interesting question!
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Sin for some.  There's such a wide range of "romance novels" that it really depends upon the author.  Many are nothing more than soft porn (and lousy writing to boot) and others are fantastic examples of excellent literature.  (I prefer Redeeming Love by Francine Rivers.)  I agree with you on the married vs. single argument...reading most romance novels before I was married was merely an excuse to daydream about sex and let my desire to be married overwhelm everything else.  @giantsis - I agree with it being somewhat of a guilty pleasure.  Unfortunately most romance novels are books that take four, five, or more hours to read, which is an awfully large "break from reality."  If I could force myself to only read them for an hour a day (or less) I'd be a lot less likely to feel guilty.  But, alas, I am completely incapable of putting down a book I've started, so I tend to (sadly) avoid fiction books in general these days.
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I think romance novels can be a sin for some in that they may cause some to stumble, but clearly not all.

I don't read actual romance novels simply because I don't like them... as in (no offense) they make me gag at the cheesiness.  Plus, I am not a die hard romantic.  I tend to read more chick-littish books, which are more cheeky and less romantic.  They usually involve more bumbling and mishaps and less actual romance which, while still very often cheesy and not as well written, they are funny and quick reads.

I only think less of people reading romance novels when that is ALL that they read... so they have no real experience with other genres.  But that's because I'm a snob. 

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I believe "bodice-ripping" should be hyphenated.

That is all.

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Good questions. My college lit proff (who I loved) scorned Christian romance novels as "crap-o-rama" and did equate them to porn for women. I took that view on myself. I still think there is some truth to it. Most women are very influenced by romance in movies and books. The question is, is it bad? I think we're made to love romance and to feel tenderness. The issue is whether or not it is directed on the right course and controlled. I watch with concern as my high school and middle school sisters read Francine Rivers and just gush about the books. I think it can create a real longing for companionship and romance that can leave them ready to jump into a relationship as soon as it comes along, even if they're not ready for it (and sometimes the more graphic scenes can even awaken a real physical sexuality).

I do think that there's something to what your saying about it being different reading these books as a married woman then it was when you were single, and I agree. I read those books in an entirely different way now. And in general I think there's definitely a place for romance stories. There's a heck of a lot of it in the Bible, and I think we learn from stories, especially well-written ones, even if they don't end in a tiny Christian ending. There is a place for romance, for sure. The more realistic and true to life the writing is, the more valuable it is to the reader.

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I never actually commented on your question.  Here's something to mull about:  For you, the written word is much more vibrant than it is to other people.  You most likely read as deeply as many people watch movies.  The question you must ask yourself is do these books carry with them the same burden that porn carries?
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I hit enter before I was done.  I know that you mentioned this argument, however I didn't articulate what I meant by Burden of porn.

do you feel you have to hide it? do you feel like people are judging you when you walk out with it.  those would be indications that there may be some issues.

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Ok L - Here's where I weigh in with my thoughts, for better or for worse. I do agree with the write above (can't remember her handle right now)'s professor. Most Christian Fiction Romance novels are not well written and formulaic with lousy characters. Buuuuuut....I do have a soft spot in my heart for Francine River's Redeeming Love, mostly because the story of Hosea is a whole world of Spiritual "stop you in your tracks to understand how God loves me"...but that's another topic entirely.

About Romance Novels in general. I believe that we've gotta go to scripture. Personally, my mind went directly to 1 Corinthians 6:12 that says "All things are lawful to me, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful to me, but I will not be brought under power of any." So yes, I agree with you that this is an are of grey. It is an area, quite like alcohol consumption and many other things....it's lawful, but not neccessarily helpful. I don't shove my beliefs down anyone's throat and I certainly do not expect them to adhere to them. Nor do I think less of them for not following the restrictions the Holy Spirit has laid on my heart. I'm single, and someday long for a relationship, sure. Right now in my life, Romance novels...and of late, even Romance movies are not healthy for my heart. I know my limitations. As Believers, we should not be wantonly subjecting ourselves to things that would be base coping skills (escapes - i.e., drinking a glass of wine after a long day, smoking a ciggy to cope with stress, reading a book to escape the reality of life, etc) if those baser things are not directing us to the Lord. So often, we use things like movies, books, drinks, friends even, to somehow remove ourselves from stresses and cope with life. When in reality, we should be driving deeper into the Lord. It's not to say I'm perfect at this....by goodness gracious I am not. I'm more guilty than many people would ever guess....but it's something God's showing me. Base coping skills are nothing more than removing the Col. 3:2 - Set your Mind on things above....and 1 Pete. 5:7 - Casting all our cares on him.... mindsets and replacing them with something else to help us deal with life.

But on the idea of this grey area of Romance novels....I don't believe condemnation is the key for anyone. If you feel the Lord has freed you up to read those books because you are married and they no longer stumble you, and you have no conviction therein, by all means....allow it. I'd be in the same place. I do not look down on you. I believe it's a Sin for some - in that it becomes obsessive, and ultimately not edifying to the person's heart or the Lord. :) Others...can handle it, and some can only handle it for a time. :)

Did I make any sense at all? ha ha!

Posted 5/14/2008 4:35 PM by Renaissance_Phoenix Xanga True Member - reply

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You know, very interesting obervations and question. For my part, I don't believe it is a sin for anyone. Personally, I don't like the idea of something being a sin for one person and not so for another. I believe something is a sin or isn't, no matter who you are, according to the Bible. That being said, I believe there are some things that can make you stumble. I can drink alcohol anytime and anywhere but I don't depend on it. I can have a sip and be satisfied. I've never used it to cure me of anything (with one exception: I burnt my hand so badly a few months ago that painkillers did nothing and my husband gave me a sip of rum to help dull it somewhat - but that could be called medicinal). On the other hand, my brother-in-law cannot even take a sip without getting himself drunk and so stays completely away from it. I think the same goes for romance novels. Some people will feel no effect, while others could very well develop bad lifestyle habits because of it. I truly think it's all in what you do with it (and perhaps even your maturity level). Something like this is not necessarily evil in and of itself but it can be a vice to some.

Contrary to what my comment may suggest, I don't actually read romance novels myself and tend to dislike them overall, since it seems to be the one genre most attacked by bad writers. I do like Francine Rivers, however, and would not mind them quite so much if there were more good writers like her.

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I don't care for most Christian romance, except for Francine Rivers (some of it) and Dee Henderson. But I do read a few secular romance authors. Their stuff isn't any more explicit than what I could find in many other genres. I don't know if it's a sin for anyone or not, but it's not for me. And my husband doesn't have a problem with it so I don't feel any motivation to quit.
Posted 5/14/2008 5:09 PM by schoolofmom - reply

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I think a story about romance, in general, is fine. It's graphic representation of sex that we need to avoid. Pornography is pornography, whether written or visual.
However, if that's what you primarily read, it might be good to explore exactly why you read it? I used to read a lot of fantasy novels. I find myself less and less attracted to them, and actually find it a bit of a burden to finish one these days.
So, in summation, as with all literature, it is acceptable to read as long as it does not become your driving obsession, or lens by which you view reality (both of which should be reserved for Christ, as a Christian). It is perfectly fine to occasionally entertain or even allow yourself some realm of enjoyment. Moderation is the key, so long as you are avoiding books that promote sinful living. That's my opinion, and apologies for the length.
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I think there's a big difference between Francine Rivers and secular romance novels.  And actually Francine Rivers used to write mainstream romance novels until she became a Christian and felt compelled to write fiction in a way that honors God.  Francine Rivers' works may have a few passages that hint at sexual intimacy in Redeeming Love, within the context of marriage, and there's no mention of "bodice ripping" that I recall, whereas secular romance novels often abound with explicit details.  I just don't see what the purpose is, and I think Renaissance_Phoenix's comment about all things being permitted but not all being beneficial definitely applies to this situation.  Do romance novels point to God?  Do they reflect a positive view of love and life?  Do they encourage and uplift?  Or do they leave one feeling unsatisfied, wanting more, and craving sexual fulfillment?  I suppose the answers to those questions are up to the reader, but I know from my own experience that they did much more harm for me than good. 
Posted 5/14/2008 6:07 PM by Erin1022 - reply

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I feel you...

i must say that the title of 'bodice ripping novels' or something to that effect got my interest picqued. personally speaking i know that some of the supposed romance that 've read in the past i could liken to porn in the fact that it was entirely about the lead up to and the description of the sensational sexual experience, which generally has no reflection on the reality of sex in a realtionship at all and deflates the actual experience for someone yet to experience it. i would deep Harlequin's as being under this catagory. after reading a few, i'd find that i could pretty much find the three chapters that had the sex in them, read that and forget abotu the story, cause really what kind of REAL story line do those books have. sure its escapism but after awhile even escapism needs to intrigue...something that they definately don't do for me. I'll admit as well that i have personally read books that had a bit too much sexual content for myself, one of which i was particularly upset by because it was supposedly made into a Hallmark movie (i dont' remember the name of the book) and so i started reading it with that premise of good quality in my head. after the fourth incredibly detailed and prolonged sex scene i had to get rid of the book, or further fill my mind with needless garbage, and over sensationalizzed encounters.

i now read historical romances, mainly. i have read alot of the Barbur Publishing 4 in 1 romances, which i find to actually have a bit of storyline, and although they are Christian, do not always have a preachy tone to them, but rather sometimes a very realistic struggle with a relationship with God and the world. i find them refreshing and while a bit of escapism for me, i do findt that they show a bit more realistic version of relationships and the tension that is found between a man and women. i also read a series lately by a non christian authro that i was very impressed by. there was indeed a fair amount of sexual tension in the book, but the story was NOT about the tension but rather the STORY and development of Characters. it intrigued me. sadly i also bought some other books by this particular author and found that she is indeed incredibly explicit in her other stories, sadly.

personally i think that as a single woman, who has had struggles with pornography and an unrealistc view of sexuality, that not all romance is ideal for me to read or beneficial. i do not think it is a sin to read it, howeve ri think that to indulge in certain books espeically if i know their contents would be indulging sin for me personally. i think that someone who is able to read them and not be affect by it or see it in its proper light should be able to read whatever they want.

i do agree with you that there is a certain viewpoint associated with reading of romance, and how that is not 'real' fiction. i think that is why i tend to gear towards storylines that i know will have a story and not just pure romance, perhaps it is an unacknowledged idea in my head. if i was to see a Harlequin in someones hand and they deemed that reading matierial i might have cause to wonder, but just any book i'd have to say i'd just say 'oh what's it about'. i have read several of my Barbour books at work and gotten teased mercessly because they usually have the words 'Wedding' or "brides' in it..and they are like OHHHh what are you reading. but i just figure they dont' know what they are talking baout.

sorry to write a small epistle here, but this really rang true for me. thanks for writing this.

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I'll admit it-I read romance novels. (mainly historical ones.) I love em'-even though I know they are nothing like real life. I read them to escape. I don't think they are right for everyone, but every now and then I shock the fam with something I've learned from a historical romance book I've read....
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1.) Case by case. It depends. There are plenty of 'classics' that are romances. As far as 'non classics' go, I haven't read many, because I'm so incredibly picky when it comes to love stories. I like Beauty and the Beast and Jane Eyre, pretty much (ironically, pretty much the same story). As far as movies go though, there are plenty of 'romances' that are still perfectly good movies, so I guess it's the same for books.

2.) Again, it depends. Books about some scrumpet acting like she's in heat, and it being portrayed positively, or lust being treated like love, and plain ol' "devil books" as I tongue-in-cheekedly call them, are sins for everyone, I think (I almost wrote 'some loose hoes and floozies having sex', but then I remembered there are God-fearin people reading this, who might be a little more modest than I). Tasteful books- I think it depends on the individual person. People react to things differently, and there are all sorts of, um, erotic fetishes that could be, er, triggered by even the, ahem, tamest books in the world. Brio or Brio & Beyond (I forget which, but it was probably in both) once had an article called the 'Purity Test' or something like that. Pretty much it had a list of questions to ask oneself about various media to determine whether one should continue watching/reading/listening. I'll flip through my mags tomorrow, and post the article if I find it.

3.) Like I said, I'm picky. Most are soooo boring and shallow, even old ones. For the most part, if it's got the word 'Bronte' on the cover, I'm all over it like a hobo on a ham sandwich (she types as quickly as possible so she can watch some of her brand new Jane Eyre DVD before she falls dies of exhaustion), though if like in Villette, I know where the story is going and I'm disgusted with it, I lose interest pretty quickly. The only book on my 'shelf of faves' that I'd really consider a romance (other than Wuthering Heights, both Anne Bronte's books, and Jane Eyre) is My Antonia, and I think that's a tad bit of a stretch. I have Out of Africa on that shelf too, and though the movie is a romance, the book is not. Hope you enjoyed the little essay I felt compelled to compose for you.

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I did but not anymore. It also probably has to do with being single and I don't think its healthy to be reading about all that sex. 
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I've enjoyed reading your post and all the responses to it. Definitely something to think about.
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congrats on being featured :)

i enjoyed your post and it definitely got me thinking
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Are sci fi books "real" literature. I would say so, and so are Romance Novels.

Well written post :)
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I personally lean towards the fantasy bent when it comes to my reading genre. However, growing up in a small town, our library did not contain any of these. So until I could drive to the neighboring town, the only books I could get my hands on were those romance novels. To this day I still require a little romance in my literary diet--I do NOT want a purely sexual experience when I read. I take my books places, and if every other page is filled with "she burned for his caresses, remembering the moment he..." it can be embarrassing and uncomfortable. I enjoy the stories, and if the story of a romance novel contains very little depth of feeling, I can't stomach it. I don't like gratuitous (sp?) sex. But romance... I can always use that. In an age where chivalry is all but dead, it is nice to escape for a moment.

Long live the romance novel! ;) And keep on readin' 'em.
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I do believe romance novels to be true smut of the literary world....that being said, it is quite the guilty pleasure.  I usually read historical fiction or random recommended books by friends and family, but sometimes i try to go above and beyond like the time i tried out dante's inferno (a hell of a book im still trying to get through) and when I do that I usually reward myself with light reading such as a romance novel.  I believe them safe to read since I can read a murder mystery without actually believe im going to be killed, or become a detective, the same way i don't expect a white knight on a horse...

I'm glad that you wrote this, I think it's important that someone with common sense sticks up for romance.

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