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| Bridal Etiquette continued...
Sorry to have numerous posts dedicated to this topic but this is all new to me and has been on my mind.
I'm not sure I'm going to have a bridal shower--my friends and
family and relatives are scattered all across the country and in Canada
as well.
I heard someone say a long time ago that the family of the bride should
not host a bridal shower for the wedding --that it is in bad taste for
the family of the bride to be asking for gifts for themselves. That
sounded kind of harsh to me at first since I've heard countless times of sisters
and mothers hosting showers for brides. So I decided to do a little
research.
What I found out to my surprise is that what I heard was correct.
It is absolutely TRUE that
the MOTHER of the bride should NOT host the shower. There is a
tradition
of the maid of honor to host the shower, but the sticky situation is
that often the maid of honor could
indeed be a member of the immediate family, so again this would
sometimes be frowned upon. What is best case scenario is if a friend of the bride
hosts the bridal shower and the bride's immediate family can help out
but not be the official host.
It is also true that the bridal shower should not be about the mother's
friends, it should be the bride's friends and also only people who are
also invited to the wedding.
However, most of my close friends are not in the same state as my
family, and the majority of
appropriate invitees are not in Chicago (where I live) nor in
Massachusetts (where my immediate family and wedding are). And
honestly, I would never ask my friends to fly to a different location
of the country just to come to my shower (which would presumably occur
a few weeks/months before the wedding). So again, I probably won't have
a bridal shower, at least not in the traditional sense. Which is
actually perfectly fine for me. One less hassle.
From this website:
Who Throws the Bridal Shower?
Typically, the maid of honor
hosts the bridal shower, unless she is a member of the bride's
immediate family. (Many etiquette guides frown on a family member
hosting, because it looks like she's trying to get gifts for the bride.
Often the mother of the bride and/or the bride's sister will still be
involved, just not technically be the host. Others realize that in this
modern world, a relative is sometimes the only appropriate host.)
For an informal, or casual shower, the maid of honor or host picks up
all the costs. For a more elaborate shower, she may talk to the other
bridesmaids and get them to agree on chipping in or splitting costs at
the beginning of the planning process. And of course she can, and
should, ask the other bridesmaids to help with set up, planning,
decorating, etc.
From this website:
No
one has stepped forward to host a bridal shower for my daughter.
Is it ok for me to host a shower?
The
Maid of Honor, Matron of Honor or the bridesmaids traditionally
hosted bridal showers. Today, it is also acceptable for
a friend or relative to host the shower. However,
it is not correct etiquette for the mother of the bride
to host a bridal shower. This is because it would
be self-serving, i.e. asking for gifts for your daughter.
Often, the mother of the bride feels compelled to host the
shower if the bridesmaids are unable or unwilling to do
it and there is no other friend or family member who will
take on the responsibility. If you feel this way, do try
to host the shower from behind the scenes. You can put your
phone number for the RSVP, but don't list yourself as a
hostess. You can do most of the preparation and funding,
but let one or more of the bridal party have the"hostess"
title.
It might be that no one in the bridal party wants to take
on the full responsibility, but that some would be willing
to help you with a chore or two. I would suggest that you
call the women in the bridal party and tell them that you
are planning a bridal shower and that you would like to
know if they would like to participate. Give them a suggestion
of what you mean by participating, such as " would
you like to bring a salad?" or "would you be able
to help me set up the buffet table?" If they know what
is expected, you will be more likely to get a positive response.
Treat those that give you a positive response as a "hostess",
and list them that way on the bridal shower invitations.
Be polite and understanding to those who bow out.
From another website:
Showers are optional. It isn't something that has to be done.. This really should only be a
gathering with those close to the bride, not the mother's friends.
...the main reason we
would rather not see family involved is that is seems self serving--as
if we are trying to get the most gifts for our family members. | | |
| Money-manners faux pas
Don't make these mistakes in spending, tipping, talking
By Kelli B. Grant, MarketWatch
Last Update: 7:59 PM ET Feb. 6, 2005
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- For many people,
"etiquette" seems to be all about things they won't need in everyday
life: formal table settings and flatware placement, terms of address
for invitations and proper deportment should one meet a person of high
station.
But etiquette also covers polite and proper ways to save and spend
your money. And unfortunately for the advancement of civilized society,
we make money-manners mistakes every day.
We asked some of the nation's etiquette experts to share the faux pas that make them cringe:
Gift-giving
- Being too focused on value. The worth
of a gift isn't always judged by money, says Peggy Post, spokeswoman
for The Emily Post Institute and author of the new book, "Emily Post's
Etiquette." "Try to figure out what the person would like, and don't
get so hung up on the idea that you must spend X amount to make the
gift worthwhile."
- Using special occasions to get gifts.
Judith Martin, better known as "Miss Manners," receives hundred of
letters about registries, for events from weddings and baby showers to
birthdays and housewarmings. Victims write in to ask if they must buy
from a registry, and extortionists ask for the most polite way to
include "cash gifts only" on an invitation. (Instead of "Please RSVP,"
she advises they write "GGG" for "gimme, gimme, gimme.") You're under
no obligation to buy from a registry, Martin says, especially if the
items are pricey or you don't know the host well.
- Overspending on wedding gifts. Many
people erroneously believe that you should be giving a gift equivalent
to what the bride and groom spend per plate, says Jodi R. R. Smith,
founder of the Boston-based etiquette consulting firm Mannersmith.
Really, the gift should be based on two things: your budget and your
relationship to the couple. Do what you can afford -- "Weddings are not
fundraisers, invitations are not invoices," she says.
- Giving with ulterior motives. Don't make
a donation simply because it looks good on your résumé, or take someone
out to lunch with the idea that he or she will then help you out in
some way, says Alinda Lewris, president and CEO of the International
Association of Protocol Consultants. "Money should be used generously
within your means and, when offered, there shouldn't be an expectation
for a return."
Out on the town
- Hurrying to reciprocate a dinner invitation or gift.
This gives the other person the impression that he or she has created
an imbalance in our relationship that we feel the need to correct
immediately, says P.M. Forni, co-founder of the John Hopkins Civility
Project and author of "Choosing Civility: The 25 Rules of Considerate
Conduct." "Rushing turns it into the taking care of an obligation or a
chore," he says. "It's not a civil and graceful act of reciprocity."
- Being insensitive to others' financial situations.
When you go out to eat with other people, says Smith, don't assume the
bill will be split equally. It's much fairer to split the bill by what
was ordered, or ask for separate checks. Restaurants are usually
willing to split checks because they are more likely to tip adequately.
This also helps lower-income friends stay cool.
- Overspending someone else's money.
Businesspeople take clients to lunch on their bosses' ticket, never
thinking about how to do it properly, says Letitia Baldrige, former
Chief of Staff for Jacqueline Kennedy and author of "Letitia Baldrige's
Guide to New Manners for New Times." Don't take clients to the most
expensive restaurants; choose good ones that cost a little less. "This
shows respect to your boss and your guest," she says. If you're the
guest, order inexpensively and don't get extra courses unless everyone
else does.
Tips and gratuities
- Tipping way off base. Post says this
can include not tipping at all, not understanding the correct way or
amount to tip, or being condescending about it to a service person. It
doesn't matter if you don't like the practice, or think it is degrading
-- "Tipping is something that's part of our culture, it's here to
stay," she says. If you're not sure when to tip, or how much is
appropriate, do your research in advance. The business owner is usually
a good source of information, as he or she generally does not receive
tips.
- Not giving end-of-the-year tips. "Some
people who use personal services get to the end of the year and they're
aghast that they have to give a tip," says Smith. Year-end tips should
be given to service people you regularly encounter, such as your
babysitter, apartment superintendent, housekeeper or hair stylist. You
should base the amount on your tip on what you usually pay per week,
visit, etc. For example, if you typically pay your housekeeper $100 per
week, you should tip at least $100. However, the amount can vary widely
depending on where you live, so get advice from your neighbors or other
patrons.
Social situations
- Talking about money. It's a bore to
have to listen to people "who fixate on 'how much this costs, how much
that costs' in general conversation," says Post. (Exempt from this faux
pas are stockbrokers and other businesspeople -- as long as they're
talking about work.)
- Giving stock tips. "You have too much
influence over people when you talk about what stocks you're buying,"
says Baldrige You could cause someone to lose a fortune.
- Being flashy with money. "This is
throwing out those dollar bills and being overtly obvious," Post
explains, "such as flashing that crisp $20 bill to the maitre de to try
and get a good table."
- Putting up a front if you're in financial trouble.
Be frank about it, instead of spending the same ways you always have,
Baldrige says. Look at your finances closely and do what's appropriate.
"Admitting you're having a tough time is always better than trying to
act as if things are terrific," she says.
But the worst etiquette money mistake is one that everyone makes,
say the experts. At one time or another, we all ask nosy questions
about money.
The etiquette of asking money questions has evolved over the years,
says Forni. "The Victorians thought that any kind of personal question
could be perceived as intrusive," he says. "Books of etiquette used to
say, ask not 'How is your husband?' but 'I trust that your husband is
well.'
"Now we are more tolerant, we live in the age of total disclosure.
However, when it comes to personal questions, certain rules of
discretion are still in effect. We are so used to hearing the
expression, 'Don't hesitate to ask.' When it comes to money, do
hesitate to ask."
Dorothea Johnson, founder and director of the Protocol School of
Washington, says there are specific topics you should avoid, no matter
how well you know someone:
- His or her salary, assets, investments or yearly bonus
- How much one paid for their car, watch or any possession
- How much one paid for their house, and the size of their mortgage
- Divorce terms
- Child support
- How much their vacation cost
"Avoid blatant conversation about money with people you don't know,"
Johnson says. "It's really none of their business. Of course, one
cannot say to someone 'it's none of your business.'"
Appropriate responses
So what should you do if you're on the receiving end of such a question?
First, don't feel pressured to answer, Forni says. "We feel guilty
if we don't answer, but it's not as if we take away information to
which others are entitled if we don't play the game."
If you're stuck for an answer, deflect. "Say, 'You know, I just can't remember,'" Johnson says.
Gently lead the person away from the subject with a joke, says Post
- "How much do I make? Well, my boss thinks it's enough. How much did I
pay for that? I broke the bank."
Give more of a vague answer, such as offering a salary range for
your profession instead of revealing how much you make. "You can answer
the question without telling them the answer," Smith says. "Acknowledge
the question, but don't necessarily answer it."
You might also hearken back to the days when money wasn't talked
about. Baldrige recalls a friend's answer to a nosy money query. "Do
you think Greta Garbo would have given an answer to a question like
that?"
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| Five common social faux pas and how to avoid them
Website Link
Asked of
Lisa Mirza Grotts, etiquette and protocol consultant, AML Group, San
Francisco
1) Shaking
hands as if yours is a cold, limp fish. First impressions are important;
handshakes should command respect and be firm.
2) Not responding
to an invitation in a timely manner, yes or no. It's not polite to keep
the hosts or caterers guessing whether you're coming.
3) Not sending
a thank-you note within 24 hours of attending a party or receiving a
gift. It's common courtesy and gracious behavior.
4) Making
a toast that is really a roast - too long, too revealing or too personal.
Guests don't need to know all about a bridegroom's ex-girlfriend or
the time he tied one on. Grotts recommends three B's: Begin, be brief
and be seated.
5) Asking
someone to a lunch (or dinner) and then trying to split the bill. Inviting
a guest to lunch carries the responsibility of picking up the tab. Suggest
menu items in a variety of prices, so your guest knows that your hospitality
has no limits. The host must order the same number of courses as the
guest, so there is balance in the meal.
"Good
manners don't cost a dime," says Grotts, "but bad ones may
be very costly." | | |
| Etiquette 101.
I'm engaged!! It was a wonderful surprise and we are really happy. It
has been really wonderful to share the news, including how it
happened, to all my friends and family. We are also trying to enjoy the moment as best we can...at least for a brief moment....
The fun begins now, apparently!
We both have big families and less than week after being engaged, I
found that we had to set an engagement dinner party date. Given I have
many relatives in Canada and both our brothers and sisters and
ourselves are spread out across NYC, California, and Chicago, we had to
plan ahead to give people time to make travel plans to attend such a
celebratory dinner in Boston. This is assuming that they would love to attend!!
Last night was my first night researching wedding/engagement-related
etiquette. Brian and I did not want people to think they were expected
to bring gifts to our engagement celebration dinner-- we only wanted people to celebrate and bring themselves. However, printing
something like "no gifts allowed" did sound kind of funny to me so I
wanted to make sure I looked into the etiquette rules to see what they
stated for that situatation.
This website
was
pretty clear. Though this was in reference to a wedding, I think it
also applies to any special occasion invitation:
"Never mention
wedding gifts in the wording of your
wedding invitations! Nowadays, the inclusion of a card or two letting
guests know where you're registered is generally considered just
fine-but never print a request for "Cash Gifts" or "No Gifts." How
gauche! ....Even if you really don't want any gifts, it's inappropriate
to mention it. People want to give you a token of their affection &
they'll do just that, no matter how much you protest. "
Another message board noted:
The "no gifts" thing is tricky, because it might
be interpreted as "we want money instead". And no matter how you
phrase it, people will still feel compelled to give you gifts, either because
they love you so much they just can't help themselves, or because they fear
that others will disobey the rule and they'll be the only ones without a
gift.....What I'd do in your situation is let my guests know through the
gravevine that [I don't expect gifts or that] I'd prefer simple inexpensive
gifts..and hope for the best."
Another website reminded:
"When you receive a gift, no matter what
you think of it, say "Thank you". Accept any gift politely and remember
that it's a GIFT that was not necessary."
Also from the same website:
"Thank
You" notes are highly regarded in the gift giving etiquette world. They
are particularly common after a bridal shower, baby shower, or wedding.
However, if you opened your gift in front of the giver when it was
given, then a "Thank You" note isn't absolutely necessary, although it
is still appropriate. "Thank You" notes don't have to be completely
formal, either. The importance is in the sentiment."
So B and I decided to let our original idea go, and not mention the "no
gifts" part. We are following the etiquette to let people know
through the grapevine that we do not expect engagement gifts. If people
do bring something, we are going to smile and accept the gifts
graciously and politely!
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| Good Eats.
I enjoyed another yummy dinner today courtesy of the greatest kitchen
invention ever -- the slow cooker. Today the delightful dinner was
corned beef and cabbage, in honor of St. Patrick's Day. I highly
recommend any of you who don't have one to buy one now! It is so nice
to have dinner ready for you at the end of the day.
On another note, I'm psyched for the imminent release of a movie based on Shawn Wong's novel American Knees.
It's an offbeat Asian American love story, adapted and directed by Eric
Byler. Eric Byler is a half Asian filmmaker whose acclaimed first
movie called Charlotte Sometimes starred Jacqueline Kim of Star Trek Voyager fame, and was nominated for a few Independent Spirit Awards.
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