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Wednesday, October 12, 2005

 

I have been invited to discuss as part of this week's topic at the Socrate's Cafe (Simone De Beauvoir) the question of whether there is such a thing as a just war?

       It is a loaded question to kick off the Cafe with and has been one that has been debated for many centuries. I don't believe that there can be any consensus as to a definitive universal answer to this question.

        I grew up feeling the effects of a civil war in my country all around me despite not being directly involved or affected in any way by it. I feel one must consider several truths (or facts, if you like) about the concepts of war and justice.

       The human species as a biological entity is a product of nature; however the inner trappings - the ethics, rules and morals we have created for ourselves have come from our need to conceptualize the world to make sense of it. The concepts and definitions of "war" and "just" and "justice" - of "right" and "wrong" - of "good" and "evil" - of "black" and "white" - are manmade. They are artificially created by humans to somehow organize what we see as a rather chaotic existence. This doesn't make these concepts any less or more valuable but it does mean that we stumble when instead of facing black or white situations within the world, we see grey or even worse other colours.

        In the world we currently live in, the human species has deemed certain emotions or the actions to follow through with those emotions as negative and "bad". These actions are bad - they disrupt order, they create havoc. It has been ingrained in us that war must be "bad" if the emotions behind it consist of mere agressiveness and no reasoning or logic whatsoever.

     What is justice? Justice itself is another manmade concept. Nature and the rest of universe is arbitary in deciding which species must live and which must die. Life is from the individual species' or person's standpoint is highly unfair.

     Before we even consider the concept of what a 'just war' is, we must ask ourselves if it is logical to assume that these concepts can still in any way help explain our experience of existence to us. Is it logical to impose manmade concepts on a fundmentally biological species that like it or not is still governed by the laws of nature, the univers and biology and therefore not just logic or reason?

   What are the reasons that one can use to justify a war? There is such a thing as the "just war theory" and it has three main points:

  • killing or destroying human life is wrong
  • states/nations have a duty to defend their citizens & defend the concept of 'justice'
  • in order to protect human life and/or defend the concept of justice or other moral values one needs to resort to use force and violence.

   There are conditions by which one has to deem whether the war in question is a just war or not and also conditions as to how a just war should be fought.

   So what are the justifiable causes for war according to the "just war theory"?

  • self defence in the case of :
    • invasion
    • assassination of a prominent person (president etc though personally I don't understand why this should lead to war - it would be much better for both countries involved to keep their heads down and another president be elected)
    • attack on national honour - such as embassies
    • attack on state religion
    • attack on economy - trade embargo or sanctions
    • attack on neighbour or an ally
    • preemptive strikes - though the UN does not take these into account anymore as a justifiable cause

       In all cases, the last few self defense causes vary in terms of how justifiable they are for starting a war. It all depends on the past history between the nations and the current political, economic and social situation. One person dying isn't a just cause but if you don't have another heir to the throne of your monarchy it presents a political problem and that might justify a war dependent on the situation (like if the next heir is the leader of the country that killed the first person off).

  • Assisting an neighbour or ally that has been invaded. If you do bring this down to an individual level - would you ask someone to kill for you if you were attacked or merely help you put the attacker into temporary unconciousness?
  • Human rights violations - only to be used as a just cause in cases where violation of human rights is so severe it cannot be resolved by any other manner.
  • To punish an act of aggression - again it is now jointly agreed that the United Nations or an international committee should decide as to how to best punish an act of aggression - it is not for a nation or state to take this on as a just cause by itself without referring to the United Nations first. This is where the United States failed in their War against Iraq.

St. Augustine stated that there were three just causes:

  • defense against an attack
  • recapturing property that was taken away
  • punishing an act of aggression

  These three causes may be seen as being justified, however, who is to judge who owns what (especially when past history might dictate a constant battle for ownership from the inception of both nations so much so that it is no longer clear who the proper owner is), who is to judge what punishment may be meted out and on whom. Is it fundamentally right for the aggrieved nation to mete out punishment or should it be decided by an arbitary party? Again it could be that each side has meted out punishment for the other for so long no one is sure who erred and how in the first place. Each nation's ideology of what is justice and what is punishment will invariably differ as well, casuing more problems with Augustine's theory.

     Because there seems to be no consensus between nations and groups of people as to what consitutes a 'just war' if one exists at all, many have agreed that if one were to exist, it would have to be borne out of a United Nations resolution. The UN would have to pass a resolution or an order to send or evacuate troops in or out of certain regions or pass orders authorizing certain nations to take certain actions only if certain conditions are met. This is why people say that the US and UK's actions in sending troops into Iraq was not indicative of a 'just war' as there was no UN resolution to back them up. Others disagrre with this.

    Another theory is that force must only be used when there is no last resort - not only in terms of time but alos when no other reasonable alternative can work in the situation.  Others say a war is 'just' only if there is a fair chance of reasonable success because it is unethical to go to war and cost lives when one knows one would lose or become worse off. However this does indicate that more powerful countries are favoured over the less powerful ones in being able to use this justification as means for accumulating resources and land via war.
     There is also a theory that suggests one should look at whether the benefits of the war will outweigh the costs of the war. Never have I ever seen this personally occur however though presumably most consider the war in Afghanistan against the Taliban to be an example.

    In conclusion - so many theories on whether the concept exists or not, so many therories what constitutes 'justice' and 'war'. This is waht I mean by not having universally accepted consensus on the subject. Each of us is now a product of biology, and unfortunately in this case a product of our history and of the history of the concepts we have created to control and make sense of our world. We will always have debate on this topic and we will never reach consensus, until we realise that we have to somehow account for that biological part of us that attaches our emotions to places, ideas, identity, objects, resources, success (in wealth or other terms) and each other. For in the end that is why we have wars, just or otherwise.

     Thank you.
             Marisa Wikramanayake.

Links you may want to look at:
Socrate's Cafe
BBC Religion and Ethics Explained
The United Nations website
            

 Posted 10/12/2005 11:55 PM - 354 Views - 24 eProps - 15 comments

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A thoughtful post in response to a difficult question.  If you accept "just war theory," you are still faced with very real questions about whether a specific war is justified.  The notion of self-defense becomes very murky, depending on who the "self" is, claiming the right (and the need) to defend. 
Posted 10/13/2005 12:56 AM by doahsdeer Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend - reply

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Marisa, Thank you for joining the discussion, and what an excellent post it is, as it provides us with many theories on war. Some seem weeker; others stronger (in my humble opinion) but each are valuable (because they are held by valuable people).

Posted 10/13/2005 1:28 AM by Simone_De_Beauvoir - recommend - reply

Very good post with some intriguing ideas.
Posted 10/13/2005 2:02 AM by Anonymous - recommend - reply

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I will return to comment when I have more time. Thanks for being a part of the discussion!
Posted 10/13/2005 3:00 AM by Shahrazad1973 Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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I believe that one of the problems with Just War Theory is that it is too easy for one to cry self-defense. One of many problems with the theory, that is.
Posted 10/13/2005 10:34 AM by Shahrazad1973 Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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Wow, what a thoughtful and detailed answer.  Such great points.  You must be in education (or just finished schooling), very cool!!!!  Thanks for sharing this with us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 10/13/2005 2:25 PM by jcmonogram - recommend - reply

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This post has so much value because first, it comes from a foreign (to us) perspective and second, because it brings us back to the alternative we have denied, allowing the UN to act as a world Government which would make the decisions. Unfortunately, we are such an ethnocentric and egocentric nation, we can hardly see past ourselves to realize we hold too much say in the governing of things. I believe in a world government and I would like for our country to support the UN. Thank you so much for providing this information!

Posted 10/13/2005 9:20 PM by halie - recommend - reply

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To sharahazad: thank you for your comment. I agree with you that it can be too easy for self defense to be used as a justification. I personally don't think the "Just War Theory" works very well.

To halie: Whilst I agree with you, I also believe that the UN needs to shape up and assert it's authority before it can ever hope to make any kind of future progress.
Posted 10/13/2005 11:48 PM by LadyKiadri - recommend - reply

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Good job with all the info!

It is interesting to read all the differing opinions!! Thanks for sharing!!

Posted 10/14/2005 12:55 AM by jeepind - recommend - reply

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Marisa, I loved reading your post. It was very well written, organized and gave one lots to think about. Loved it! ~Namaste, T.L.
Posted 10/14/2005 4:15 AM by StormyMuse - recommend - reply

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Very interesting essay. I'm reading it again to assimilate it thoroughly.

You write very well !

MK
Posted 10/14/2005 12:33 PM by princecharmingthefirst - recommend - reply

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Hello, Oh wise one...do you have a suggestion for this week's topic?
Posted 10/15/2005 5:22 AM by Simone_De_Beauvoir - recommend - reply

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I do like the move toward a legal definition of the just war. The main problem, though, being the design of the only available body, the UN.
If China were to write a "blank check" to Iran, or the US to Israel ... even if the checks were written with the worst intentions (for oil availability for CHina, or for some Zionist conspiracy come true for the US) ... still these nations can block any action from being declared a "just action", and if that action is war, a just war.
And that seems a rather bit arbitrary to do justice to our notion of justice, here in the case of the just war.
Posted 10/15/2005 11:35 PM by akagoethe - recommend - reply

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Hello,

Your blog on this topic is excellent in my eyes. It is a loaded question as you said, one I can't answer.
You brought up many good points and the fact you added the just war theory helps .I agree on the assasination of a world leader, that should be a judicial issue in my eyes.
Thanks , a good post on this hard to answer question.

Peace and Love:)
Posted 10/16/2005 3:16 PM by VaporousVenom - recommend - reply

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LadyKiadri- I think this has been one of the most informative posts I have read from the Just War discussion. I have to agree with your comment to Halie that while it would be ideal for a body such as the UN, if not that organization itself, to create a codified set of international laws regarding the use of military force, such organizations have proven to be weakened by political, ethnic, and economic divides that exist within alliances outside of that organization to act or bring timely resolutions. Until then, we have to rely on "Just War Theory" as well as international laws already in place to justify whether or not we go to war.

Great post!
Posted 10/18/2005 2:47 PM by Czolya Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend - reply


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