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Tuesday, January 24, 2006
 
While well wishers continue to express their support for the proposed Georgia-Michigan series, I have a few other issues to address, so I hope you will permit me to veer off the subject temporarily in order to offer a few measured observations on the current hot topic in the college football blogosphere. 
 
Recently, a Louisiana State University law student took advantage of the forum offered by Bruins Nation to explain why, in his view, the B.C.S. title game winner is the national champion, the occasional contrary views of the Associated Press notwithstanding. 
 
"It is my belief," he stated, "that the #1 team in the final AP poll does not have a valid claim to the national championship based solely upon that ranking."  The author went on to note that "this is only true for the BCS era," since "the BCS was the first and only system that all the major conferences ever collectively and officially agreed to recognize as a national champion selector."  (I don't know how far this L.S.U. law student has gotten in pursuit of his legal education, but, clearly, he has gotten at least far enough into the Legal Research and Writing course to have covered the unit on the sneaky use of adverbs.) 
 
Heismanpundit took this law student to task, but, unfortunately, he (as usual) decided to be crass and vitriolic rather than calm and rational.  Heismanpundit's retort consisted chiefly of insults, as he accused the author of "ignor[ing] reality," of being "dumb" and "weird," and of "bleating" like a "sheep." 
 
In his usual offhanded South-bashing manner, Heismanpundit even asked, "Is it just something in the water down there?"---which was a particularly coarse turn of phrase to use when assailing the region that was decimated by hurricanes last fall.  (Heismanpundit is a Southern Cal guy, so I would ask him to consider how he would feel if, after the Golden State was decimated by an earthquake, I deemed him blameworthy for some perceived transgression and applied the word "fault" to his conduct.) 
 
The sad fact is that Heismanpundit (for once) made a good point, but he spent too much time being nasty and not enough time making his case, so his reasonable argument was obscured by his obnoxious attitude. 
 
First of all, there is nothing uniquely "official" about the Bowl Championship Series.  Before the B.C.S., there was the Bowl Alliance and, before that, there was the Bowl Coalition and, before that, there were automatic conference bids to each of the major bowl games.  The B.C.S. is the present stage of an evolutionary process, not the final stage of a revolutionary process. 
 
While the B.C.S. is designed to produce a cleaner and clearer national championship scenario---a purpose it has seldom accomplished satisfactorily---it is "official" in the same sense that the traditional conference bowl tie-ins were, with the champions of particular leagues getting automatic bids to designated games. 
 
As for the conferences sanctioning these results as being inherently more "official" than those of the pre-B.C.S. era, the S.E.C. media guide (as, I suspect, do those of the other major conferences) touts such squads as the 1980 Georgia Bulldogs, the 1992 Alabama Crimson Tide, and the 1996 Florida Gators as national champions, even though those No. 1 rankings all were attained in the pre-B.C.S. era.  How much more completely could the conferences sanction the results of pre-B.C.S. poll votes than by bragging about those outcomes in official league publications?  The absence of an asterisk denotes the presence of acceptance. 
 
The essential problem underlying the critics of the A.P. poll's legitimacy is the notion that there is an official B.C.S. champion.  In actuality, the term "B.C.S. champion" is a bit of a misnomer. 
 
Strictly speaking, the B.C.S. doesn't declare a champion.  Rather, the B.C.S. employs a formula that produces a set of rankings that determines the combatants who will square off in a designated national championship game.  The final B.C.S. standings determine who plays for the national championship, not who wins it.  The outcomes of major bowl games determine the final No. 1 ranking, in the B.C.S. era no more or less so than before. 
 
The national championship produced by the B.C.S. is, in fact, the selfsame coaches' poll national title we have had in college football since 1950.  The phrase "B.C.S. championship" is nothing more than the current term for the No. 1 ranking in what previously has been known as the "C.N.N./U.S.A. Today poll" or, before that, as the "U.P.I. poll." 
 
College football recognizes numerous polls, but the two most well known are the sportswriters' and coaches' polls.  The A.P. poll operates in the same way today that it has since 1936.  The coaches' poll, despite its many monikers, operates in the same way today that it has since 1950, with one crucial difference:  nowadays, the voters in the coaches' poll are contractually obligated to award their No. 1 ranking to the winner of the designated national championship game produced by the B.C.S. formula. 
 
The A.P. poll is "unofficial" only in the sense that its voters continue to reserve the right to cast their votes based upon individual judgment and independent thought.  As a matter of fact, the A.P. poll was a component of the B.C.S. formula until the sportswriters asked to have their rankings taken out of the formal equation a year or so ago, so what our L.S.U. law student has characterized as "the first and only system that all the major conferences ever collectively and officially agreed to recognize as a national champion selector" actually incorporated the sportswriters' poll he disdains as a component of the "official" formula.  If the B.C.S. alone produces a valid national title, how can the sole legitimate whole be the sum of some illegitimate parts? 
 
When, as in 2005, it is clear that the winner of the designated national championship game produced by the B.C.S. formula is the No. 1 team in the nation, the Associated Press poll will produce the same result that the coaches' poll is guaranteed to produce.  However, when, as in 2003, there is room for reasonable people to disagree, the A.P. and coaches' polls may differ in precisely the same way that they did in, say, 1990 or 1991. 
 
If you believe the coaches (or, more likely, such designees as their sports information directors) possess an inherent superiority to the sportswriters and, therefore, their poll votes automatically have the better claim to recognition, that is fine.  According to that estimation, Georgia Tech in 1990, Washington in 1991, and L.S.U. in 2003 laid claim to more legitimate national championships than those won by Colorado, Miami, and Southern Cal, respectively. 
 
Nothing in the B.C.S. formula magically lends the coaches' poll any extra legitimacy it did not possess previously, though.  Given the rather obvious fact that the B.C.S. formula erroneously put undeserving Oklahoma squads into the national title games at the end of the 2003 and 2004 seasons, a much better argument could be mounted that the coaches' ironclad obligation to crown the winner of a prearranged game detracts from the legitimacy of this venerable poll. 
 
The more reasonable view would seem to be that the correctness of a particular poll must be evaluated on a case by case basis.  Personally, I believe the sportswriters got it right in 1990 and the coaches got it right in 1991.  Had there been a BlogPoll in 2003 and had I been a voter, I would have ranked the Bayou Bengals No. 1 and the Trojans No. 2. 
 
My agreement with the result of the 2003 coaches' poll, however, does not change the fact that the A.P. poll---the oldest and, generally, the most respected of the traditional polls---awarded its No. 1 ranking to Southern Cal that year.  In so doing, the sportswriters conferred a national title every bit as legitimate as---and, indeed, a national title utterly undistinguishable from---those bestowed by the Associated Press poll voters from 1936 through 2002. 
 
The B.C.S. barons are not alchemists who devised a means for transforming the leaden lump of the U.P.I. poll into a sparkling nugget of purest precious metal.  Any Tiger fan who so allows his passion to cloud his judgment that he convinces himself of the contrary view should remember the warning Thomas Grey offered after another feline showed similarly poor judgment: 
 
  From hence, ye Beauties, undeceived,
  Know, one false step is ne'er retrieved,
  And be with caution bold
  Not all that tempts your wand'ring eyes
  And heedless hearts, is lawful prize;
  Nor all that glisters, gold
 
The crystal football is an impressive artifact, but our friends from Baton Rouge are treating it like pyrite.  Bayou Bengal fans shouldn't be so insecure; they legitimately won a national championship in 2003 . . . and that fact is neither altered nor diminished by this fact, which is equally true:  Southern Cal legitimately won a national championship in 2003, too. 
 
Go 'Dawgs! 
 Posted 1/24/2006 7:43 AM - 3 comments

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Southern California will be decimated by an earthquake in the near future...this is a well understood but unconscious fact of living here.  We sustained major damage in '85 (Whittier) and '96 (Northridge, most costly in quake in US history).  There were two other M>6.0 quakes in '92 and 2000, but these were in less populated desert areas.  Four sizeable quakes in ~15 years, all on different faults. Further, it is likely that there are several other low-activity faults in the Los Angeles Basin that are presently unknown and that are capable of a M>6.0 event.  Modern GPS studies tell us that the Los Angeles basin is shortening along a NE-SW axis at 2-6 mm year (That's 2-6 km in a million years).  Exacerbating the seismicity is the fact that much of the Los Angeles metropolitan area rests on weakly consolidated sediments with shallow water tables; these factors tend to applify the shaking cause by seismic waves.  Although many acedemic institutions and government agencies are presently working on mitigation of damages, it is possible that tens of thousands will die when "the big one" hits.  Property damages will be in the 100's of billions.

I don't think HP's comment about "something in the water" had any kind of referrence to the terrible destruction and loss caused by hurricane Katrina.  Hence I think your referrence to a quake in Southern California is setting up HP as a "straw man"; also it is somewhat non sequitur.   I provide the facts about quakes here so that you can consider your commentary about natural disasters with a little more insight.

However, I do approve of your logic about college football national championships.

Chris

Posted 1/26/2006 7:47 PM by Chrisinreno - reply

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I stumbled across ths blog and after reading your post I must thank you for an open and intelligent debate.  This HeismanPundit individual obviously does not know how to argue or else he just fears that he is wrong.  You're right about the water comments, they are somewhat classless,  as is http://www.onepeatbog.com.  If you use the link, be careful to notice the picture on the top.  I'm not sure if they are trying to say that LSU is in a swamp or if they are trying to say LSU is underwater.  Either way it is inappropriate.  The site is filled with tried stereotypes that really hinder their argument.  Though you do see these types of things from both sides, they are pretty much confined to message boards.  They are not the basis for argument nor are they the predominant message of any website. 

That is, until now.  The inspiration for the Anti-LSU webiste, http://www.onepeat.com, stuck to the issue of  football.  Although now that the stereotyping anti-LSU site is up, I would not be surprised to see a similar anti-USC site.  I hope it doesn't happen though, I would rather see anti-USC fans, of all kinds, stay above the maturity line.  I know, I know, is the whole billboard thing mature in the first place?  Maybe not, but hey, it's the offseason.  I think it's funny and fun to argue over.  

I responded to HeismanPundit in a comment a couple of nights ago but it is still pending moderation.  I did not put anything inflammatory or insulting at all.  If you read one of his comments, in an irrelevant point, he actually says that there is no final poll after the NCAA basketball tournament, http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2005/polls/week/Final.  In addition, in a reply to a poster who did not agree or disagree with me, but rather thought my point brought up an interesting question, HesimanPundit said "The only one being a subjective jackass is you."  And he calls me illogical!  He is wrong on two levels with this statement.  First, he says somebody asking a question is being subjective, which I don't understand for the life of me.  Second, he claims to be objective in the same sentence he calls somebody a jackass.  You cannot call somebody a jackass without being subjective yourself.  Yes, I am certainly the illogical one.  However, his shortcomings in his debate skills do not serve to advance my argument, they only hinder his.  I tried to reply to his argument but like I said, my comment is still pending moderation.

Anyway, I would like to reply to your argument.  Firstly, there is something uniquely "official" about the BCS.  I believe you focused too much on my use of the word official though. I also said ALL the major conferences agreed to it.  The Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance did not involve the Big Ten or Pac-10 conferences.  So a dispute between an SEC team and a Pac-10 team under either of those would be distinguishable from the BCS because there would not have been an "official" agreement between the two.  They also agreed to it collectively, unlike the way conference media guides have recognized champion selectors.  For arguments sake though, I will rephrase my statement.  'The BCS national championship game was the first and only system that ALL the major conferences ever collectively and officially agreed, in writing, to recognize as a national championship selection process.'  I honestly don't think you can deny the validity of that statement.  When it went down in writing, it became official.  While the AP poll was universally recognized as a national champion selector, it was never official.  You ask  "How much more completely could the conferences sanction the results of pre-B.C.S. poll votes than by bragging about those outcomes in official league publications?"  By agreeing to sanction them in writing.             

"The B.C.S. is the present stage of an evolutionary process, not the final stage of a revolutionary process."  For something to be official it need not be the final stage of a revolutionary process.  It can simply be the official process of the time.  I am not saying the BCS will be official forever.  If a playoff comes into existence it would not take away the fact the BCS was official during 2003.  Rules evolve over time but nobody says the rules at a previous time were not official.  Well, you might think I am saying that but my point is that the BCS is the first "rule" with respect to a national championship.  The BCS is official.  After all, they are called BCS conferences now.  They are not called AP conferences.

"The essential problem underlying the critics of the A.P. poll's legitimacy is the notion that there is an official B.C.S. champion."  Yes, there is an official BCS champion.  Just like there is an official AP champion.  Our argument is that the BCS champion is the official national champion.  The AP poll might also be illegitimate because it is comprised of journalists creating the news instead of reporting it.  However that is a different argument for a different time.

"The A.P. poll is "unofficial" only in the sense that its voters continue to reserve the right to cast their votes based upon individual judgment and independent thought."  No, not ONLY in that sense.  It is also unofficial in the sense that it was not part of the official agreement between all the major conferences known as the BCS.

"If the B.C.S. alone produces a valid national title, how can the sole legitimate whole be the sum of some illegitimate parts?"  The parts are not completely illegitimate by themselves in every way, shape, or form.  They are illegitimate with respect to declaring a national championship.  In 2003, albeit without their agreement, the AP was simply a contributing factor to the BCS national championship selection process.  Nobody said the AP poll was illegitimate as a ranking system to take into account, it just can't legitimately claim a national champion today, post-1997.  It cannot legitimately claim itself as the whole.   Now that they are out of the BCS formula, I really just consider them a poll to give us something to talk about and help enjoy the season.   

The AP poll champion cannot be considered a national champion today because it was necessarilly exlcuded from being recognized when the BCS agreement was made.  This is because logically, a split championship is impossible.  There can only be one described as the best.  Since the conferences agreed to one system all others were excluded.  If they weren't then split champions could be declared, and since that is impossible by definition,  all additional selectors must be excluded.  Well, I suppose the writer's of the contract could say that the BCS would not be the only selector.  That way, there would at least be an agreement to possibly allow split titles.  However, they would have had to make this affirmative statement.  Otherwise, we are to infer the opposite. 

Don't get me wrong, I hate the BCS, I want a playoff and I think USC was more deserving of a Sugar Bowl appearance than OU.  The fact remains though, we must play by the rules as they are in effect at the time.  To do otherwise would be unfair.  The problem is though, the BCS recognizes USC and that is their best and really, only, argument I think.  Their argument is essentially "because they said so."  USC has a championship based on opinion while LSU has one based on fact.  Once again, thanks for a clean and honest debate.         

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Chris, I'm not sure I understand your point . . . or, rather, I'm not sure why the correctness of your point doesn't confirm the correctness of my point. 

It is well known that "the big one" is coming and, one day, California will be devastated by an earthquake costing thousands of lives and billions of dollars.  My point was that, when that day comes, it would be inappropriate for me to criticize a Californian in a manner that involved an insensitive reference (or an ill-considered remark that could be taken as an insensitive reference) to that tragedy. 

Chris's description of the inevitability of a devastating earthquake in the Golden State applies equally well to the pre-Hurricane Katrina prospects for the Pelican State.  New Orleans is located in what amounts to a bowl surrounded on all sides by bodies of water:  the Mississippi River, the Gulf of Mexico, and Lake Pontchartrain.  The damage caused by Hurricane Camille in 1969 has always been viewed (quite properly) as a harbinger of hurricanes to come. 

"The big one" was just as inevitable when it came to hurricanes and Louisiana as it is when it comes to earthquakes and California.  The distinction, of course, is that Hurricane Katrina has already happened and the earthquake Chris describes hasn't yet. 

When the latter occurs, it would be as wrong of me to make snide remarks about it when rebuking a Californian as it was for the commentator I criticized to make similarly snide remaks when rebuking a Louisianan after the former took place.  Even if he meant nothing by the "something in the water" crack, he should have thought about how it would come across before he posted it on-line.  Far from being a "straw man" or a non sequitur, my analogy was directly on point, as ably demonstrated by Chris in his comment. 

LSUGrad04, I thank you for taking the time to offer such a thoughtful and measured reply.  The tenor of the so-called "billboard war" has been childish at best and the discussion of the underlying issues among college football webloggers has been truculent and asinine, so I am pleased that we were able to have a civil and reasonable exchange. 

As for LSUGrad04's specific points, they deserve a more reflective and detailed response than I am able to offer here.  I shall endeavor to do justice to the tone and substance of LSUGrad04's fine arguments in a later posting. 

Posted 1/27/2006 9:00 PM by tkyleking - reply


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