Conjectures of a guilty bystander-- Merton
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Sunday, May 04, 2008
 

About the best analysis of Rev. Wright to date



This-- unsurprisingly, given that it's from the always-insightful Bill Moyers-- has got to be the best analysis I've yet heard of Senator Obama's former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. I don't think anyone should say anything more critical about the man until they've watched this first.

If you can't watch it here for some reason, here's the original YouTube page.



Here is another, if you have time to watch it. Listen to what Rev. Wright actually has to say, not just his sound bites.
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I was going to post this on my blog today...looks like you beat me to it. Good call. This whole situation is driving me crazy.
Posted 5/4/2008 2:18 PM by scuttlebutt7 - reply

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I'm NOT hanging my head in shame for what Rev. Wright said. Nor am I hanging my head in shame for the way the media has highlighted Rev. Wright's outrageous comments and "forced" Senator Obama to separate himself from his former pastor.

I DO hang my head in shame on behalf of Bill Moyers -- a man whose erudite appraisal of Wright's remarks about the U.S. Government foisting the HIV virus on African-American men is limited to telling his audience, "you'll have to decide for yourself."

The media is not to blame for Rev. Wright's outrageous remarks. Politicians are not to blame either. Rev. Wright is to blame. No one else. Strangely, Rev. Wright appeastr to be more willing to accept responsibility for his remarks than Bill Moyers is willing to allow him to take.

I'm sorry, but 20 years of membership in a church where Black Liberation Theology is the official position of the senior pastor (and presumably whatever other church officials are involved in the government of the church) makes Barack Obama's relationship with Rev. Wright something that should have been placed under close scrutiny long ago.
Posted 5/4/2008 6:00 PM by Laserlawyer Xanga True Member - reply

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Thanks, Nate. I always appreciate Moyers' and your take on events and issues. Personally, Wright's statements last week caused me to lose patience with him, mainly b/c I believe he's doing harm to Obama's chances among working class Whites in particular.
Posted 5/4/2008 7:32 PM by sedaqah Xanga Premium Member - reply

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Laser--

1) It's true that "the media is not to blame for Rev. Wright's outrageous remarks..." However, media outlets and politicians ARE to blame for taking sound-bites from Rev. Wright out of context. Sure, hearing him say "God damn America" may be unsettling, but when you hear a longer portion of the sermon, frankly the man doesn't sound so different from a biblical prophet. I cannot help thinking that those who have little patience with Wright would also lose patience with the prophet Amos, who had some very nasty things to say about his fellow Jews.

2) You and others speak of "Wright's outrageous remarks" as if we all agreed that the man's remarks are generally outrageous. Could you outline which specific remarks you're talking about? Because I don't think saying "God damn America"-- at least when one listens to how Rev. Wright defines "damn"-- is either outrageous or unbiblical. Offensive to those who are used to hearing "God bless America" and other patriotic platitudes in their churches, yes, but not unbiblical.

3) Again, you speak about Black Liberation Theology as if we all agreed that this was an unbiblical hermeneutic. But is it? If so, why?
Posted 5/4/2008 7:55 PM by upsidedownkingdom - reply

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Laserlawyer: even if you are willing to make the declaration that Black Liberation Theology is an unbiblical hermeneutic, why in the world does this mean that Obama should distance himself from it in order to be qualified to become president? Are we now demanding political scrutiny of every political candidate who differs from our own personal theology?
Posted 5/4/2008 9:06 PM by scuttlebutt7 - reply

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So, Rev. Jeremiah Wright is back in the news. That is not a surprise. What is surprising is that the controversy over Barack Obama's former pastor at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago has missed an important issue. The focus has been primarily on Mr. Obama's relationship with his pastor and the pastor's inflammatory, divisive statements. The lens needs to be widened.

Those who defend Mr. Obama make the point that Mr. Wright has retired and no longer serves on the former's advisory committee. They say that this ends the matter. (i.e. Let's move on, there are more important things to talk about.) After all, Mr. Obama has disassociated himself from Mr. Wright's "out of context" statements and continues to put distance between them — even if he has not chosen to separate himself from Mr. Wright.

Mr. Obama's controversial relationship with Mr. Wright is a convenient, understandable, made-for-television news story. However, television may not the best forum for a complex, difficult-to-ask question which yet remains unasked and unanswered: Why does Barack Obama belong to a church known to be a leader in a seemingly radical, black-centric, movement known as black liberation theology? And the follow-up question is this: How will Mr. Obama's association with this movement influence his beliefs, ideas, and actions as president of the United States?

Mr. Obama has said that he has not heard many of the statements made by Mr. Wright. But it is likely that Mr. Obama knows about the philosophy, principles, values and teachings of black liberation theology, which is the foundation of his church — the wellspring from which Mr. Wright's divisive rhetoric flows. Mr. Obama's veracity and integrity, or at least his judgment, will be subject to question if he denies having detailed knowledge of black liberation theology. And if he knows about the movement, why would he align himself and his family with such a theology for some 20 years?

Black liberation theology has its roots in the racial turmoil of the 1960s and 1970s. Although Mr. Wright wants us to think that black liberation theology is the typical message of black churches, many black pastors view it as a misguided if not an aberrant form of Christianity. The main theme is not freedom from man's sin by salvation in Christ, but the black struggle for freedom from the oppression of whites.

Historical, orthodox Christian beliefs are redefined in black liberation theology. For example, the words "Christ," "salvation" and "gospel" are all the same, but the emphasis is the black experience of deliverance from slavery and ongoing deliverance from political, economic and social oppression by whites. Whites are often portrayed as the real demonic forces of this age. Traditional biblical Christianity is dismissed as an irrelevant, oppressive white man's religion.

Mr. Obama is to be commended for condemning the statements Mr. Wright made because they "expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country, a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America." However, Mr. Wright's statements are typical of deeply held views of many black liberation theologicians: He points to and says he agrees with James Cone, one of the founders of the black liberation theology movement.


Mr. Wright claims Mr. Cone to be a spiritual mentor and a modern-day prophet upon whom the teachings of Mr. Wright and Mr. Obama's church are based. Mr. Cone wrote: "It is important to make a further distinction here among black hatred, black racism, and black Power. Black hatred is the black man's strong aversion to white society. No black man living in white America can escape it. ... But the charge of black racism cannot be reconciled with the facts. While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." ("Black Theology and Black Power," pp. 14-16).

Black liberation theology does not seek unity among the races — especially with whites. In seeking equal standing for blacks, black liberation theology sets blacks against whites and so inflames black resentment against whites that unity is all but out of reach. Technically, it is not racist in that it does not claim blacks are superior. But in practice, when black liberation theology's pastors speak truth to power, that "truth" is filled with the same arrogance, hate, vengeance, and divisiveness used by some whites to wrongly target blacks. It puts a new twist on "separate, but equal." Mr. Cone says that all whites are "white oppressors" responsible for black oppression and white racism.

On the positive side, black liberation theology also teaches self-reliance and responsibility of blacks as individuals, families, communities and churches. Churches like Trinity, which hold the doctrines of black liberation theology, are energetic in providing programs to improve education and the economic standing of their members. But, on the whole, such a theology ultimately fails. The fate of blacks and whites and all others in America, at least in the nation's political and civic arena, is bound up in our commitment to common ideals, beliefs, values and aspirations — and our willingness to work and live together.

If Mr. Obama wants to be the leader of all Americans, he must clearly and decisively separate himself not just from Mr. Wright, but from black liberation theology and those churches and pastors that preach it as truth. Why he hasn't done so is a question that still has been neither asked nor answered.

Posted 5/4/2008 9:37 PM by djd1958 - reply

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@upsidedownkingdom - 

I ownder if the prophet Amos lived in a 10,000 square foot house, right smack in the middle of the Gentiles, far away from the Jews he was rightly calling to repentance?
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I think a presidential candidate's theology is crucial to understanding how that candidate will make decisions -- especially with regard to issues that have not even arisen yet.
Posted 5/4/2008 9:43 PM by Laserlawyer Xanga True Member - reply

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"If Mr. Obama wants to be the leader of all Americans, he must clearly and decisively separate himself not just from Mr. Wright, but from black liberation theology and those churches and pastors that preach it as truth"

I hope you can see what a dangerous precident statements like this set. If I run for office, should a Mormon refuse to vote for me because I have differing religious beliefs? Should I refuse to vote for a Hindu? Should a Baptist refuse to vote for a Presbyterian until they "decisively separate" themselves from their Presbyterian roots? The day we require candidates to abandon religious beliefs because they may differ in some ways from our own is the day we open the door for religious persecution all around. Separation of church and state was set up to protect the church, not the other way around. I am continually baffled at how many Christians don't seem to understand this. The more we continue to give legetimacy to "issues" like this , the more we give permission for Christians to be held legally and politically responsible for their religious beliefs in the future. This whole situation frankly scares me and I really think it should cause more Christians to be concerned in this way than I've seen.

Posted 5/4/2008 10:53 PM by scuttlebutt7 - reply

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@upsidedownkingdom - Again: This is a non-issue.  Mr. Wright's comments (whether factual, fictional, or delusional) are being exploited by a media that peddles race for ratings.

Why didn't McCain receive the same level of scrutiny?  There could be any number of reasons.  I've stopped expecting fairness or intelligence from the major news outlets.

The real question is: Should we scrutinize every aspect of a candidate's life?  If yes, then do so.  Are Obama's shoes made in sweat shops?  Are Hillary's hair care products tested on animals?  Has McCain ever shopped at Wal-Mart?  Maybe we should we examine the contents of their libraries and personal diaries for objectionable material, or put them on The Moment of Truth and grill them in front of America.

@Laserlawyer - I'm usually with you, but I'm not sure examining a candidates theology is any more useful than examining their voting record, views on the Constitution, or 'Issues' webpage.  Do you believe all beliefs are an extension of one's theology or is there a more basic "-ology" that breathes life into all the others?

Posted 5/4/2008 11:00 PM by newworldview - reply

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God damn the imperial attitude
Posted 5/5/2008 1:06 AM by Lovegrove - reply

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This whole event has exactly squat to do with anything. It speaks to none of the issues facing the country, and to none of the policy positions articulated by any of the candidates. Sure, Rev. Wright has his perspective, which, if you've read or heard Sen. Obama speak on his faith, is not reflected at all in Obama's very open and inclusive theological perspective. Obama is not a Black Liberationist. He just ain't. The argument that he is has no foundation in reality.

My own sense of this media event is that it is part of a planted classical "subvert the strength" assault on Obama. Obama's strength was..and is..his inclusivity, a message of transcending racial tensions, and a genuinely heartfelt personal patriotism. Attacking that directly is difficult, so those Republicans and Democrats who view him as a threat have found Rev. Wright a convenient proxy through which to sow doubt.

False doubt, but hey, any doubt works.
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I think a candidate's theological views necessarily undergird everything else that he or she believes. That's why it's so important.
Posted 5/5/2008 10:10 AM by Laserlawyer Xanga True Member - reply

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Laser--

1) I take your point about Rev. Wright's lifestyle; I find it disappointing and hypocritical. However, when we're discussing whether the man's beliefs are crazy or are representative of biblical testimony, the size of his house is an absolute red herring, and should be kept out of discussions. Just to be clear, the reason I brought up the prophet Amos is because I notice a tendency, particularly strong among conservatives, to laud those who critiqued past societies (Amos, Jeremiah, Jesus, Martin Luther King, etc) but to act defensively when confronted by men like Rev. Wright who critique our contemporary culture. We need to keep in mind that religious conservatives were quite offended by the biblical prophets and by MLK for many of the same reasons that they're offended by Rev. Wright today.

2) Not to get too off-topic here, but if a candidate's theological views are as important as you say they are, what do you think of John McCain, Ronald Reagan, and George H.W. Bush (none of whom are/were Christian) and George W. Bush (who professes faith but does not attend church and has never really expounded on the actual content of his faith)? Wouldn't you rather have a man like Barack Obama as President, given that at least he's a Christian, than a man like Reagan, who wasn't? Or does a candidate's theology only warrant scrutiny if he's a liberal?
Posted 5/5/2008 12:41 PM by upsidedownkingdom - reply

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Dave-- I encourage you to watch the videos if you have time. They address many of the concerns in your comment.

Newworldview-- I agree, this is (or at least ought to be) a non-issue. I'm only addressing this issue because it's in the news, and a lot of non-factual (or exaggerated) information is out there.

Beloved_Spear-- I agree entirely, as I said to Newworldview: this really oughtn't be an issue. Maybe it was naive of me, but I actually thought that debunking the myths surrounding the Rev. Wright would help put the issue to bed. Silly me.

I also agree that this probably is a "subvert the strength" thing.
Posted 5/5/2008 12:46 PM by upsidedownkingdom - reply

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Dave said:
Black liberation theology does not seek unity among the races — especially with whites. In seeking equal standing for blacks, black liberation theology sets blacks against whites and so inflames black resentment against whites that unity is all but out of reach. Technically, it is not racist in that it does not claim blacks are superior.

Me:
Dave these are things you know nothing about so I wish you would stop commenting on them. It makes you look really ignorant. Black Liberation Theology is not what you say it is. I don't have to explain myself to you or explain what it is and how it works in my life. I won't be doing that any more.

But I have a few points/questions I would like to make. If Reverend Wright were about separating himself from whites why would he encourage a black woman to marry a white man? If he were about separation why are there white members of his church? Black liberation theology (liberation theology in general) is beyond you and as such I wish you would stop commenting on it and slandering something that you know so little about. Please don't talk about reconciliation when you don't do much to help it in your personal life. It just makes you sound like a hypocrite.

The elephant in the room is that the majority of white Christians really don't want reconciliation and that black people are sick of trying to pursue it.

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Here is a history of liberation theology.
http://www.landreform.org/boff2.htm

More on black liberation theology here and it's criticisms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theology

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Posted 5/5/2008 3:51 PM by Pashe - reply

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That's the elephant in the room?  Seriously?

Posted 5/5/2008 7:21 PM by newworldview - reply

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Pashe

You said "The elephant in the room is that the majority of white Christians really don't want reconciliation and that black people are sick of trying to pursue it."

My answer to you is your own "these are things you know nothing about so I wish you would stop commenting on them. It makes you look really ignorant."

Please do not claim to know what is going on in the heads of white people, because you don't.
Posted 5/5/2008 8:49 PM by Schenkelini - reply

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Schen,

I was never arrogant enough to say that I knew what was going on in the heads of white people. As usual you keep projecting. It's not about what's in your head. It's about actually doing something and unfortunately I don't see many white people choosing to back up anything more than rhetoric.

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Besides I could have said the elephant was white racism but I don't think would go over too well.

p

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Well Pashe

I don't think you look to hard. The church is more racially diverse than ever before. In SoCal where we both live, I think you would have to search real hard to find an all white church. I know I rally appreciate the racial diversity of my church. I see this happening in other parts of the country too.
There are people like John Dawson who have written books that have been very well received by the church detailing the steps necessary to restore brokenness resulting from racism. John's book "Healing America's Wounds" has caused great change in relationships with blacks and whites as well as Native Americans and whites all over the country. Many old wounds have been healed and old broken covenants have been restored. I had a conversation with a friend in the UK and he told me how the church there used the same principles to heal brokenness between the English church and the church in Germany.
You may choose to focus on the negative, but I feel optimistic by the steady progress I see in this area.
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That's great, I am glad you see progress but where you feel comfortable celebrating that progress I see stuff that should have happened a century ago. Actually I don't have to look to hard, I can walk right across the street to find a church that is 90% white. You and I both know that Sunday mornings are the most segregated times in America. Are there places where that is not the case? Yes, but they are exception, not the rule. When the bulk of America is still racially segregated at church there is a problem. That's not the negative, that's the truth.

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You know that the bulk of American churches are racially segregated. You are such a negative person.
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Ok that's your opinion. God Bless you. I would say that you are hopelessly naive and deluded. You are so caught up in the so called progress that you stop there, all the while ignoring the deeper issues within the church. My hope is in Jesus and his ability to heal that or else I would not bother posting here or anywhere. But things don't get fixed if we are not honest about them. I wish both sides liberal or conservatives had the guts to do that.

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